Come work for Allegiant…it's pure PLATINUM!
07-11-2014 | 12:52 PM
#11
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Sometimes people have a sick family member or other dead serious reasons that preclude them from just walking on a six digit income! Maybe he's got a thousand good reasons for not just up and quitting.
Your question implies that it is wrong for a person to express out-loud the pitiful way in which an employer treats them unless they walk off the job first. That isn't real life, and it isn't always practical or wise and you know it!
07-11-2014 | 12:58 PM
#12
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From: 7th green
Someone is out there flying for regionals and crappy LCCs. Why they can't make to to the Borg is a mystery. But this place lives on the illusion that all they have to do is get 1000 TPIC and Delta/FedEx/UPS/AA/UCAL/Alaska/Hawaiian will be sending them a welcome aboard letter.
I've seen more than a few highly qualified military and civilian aviators get the TBNT letter. Why? Who knows. Maybe they didn't sit in the rocking chair. Whatever.
07-11-2014 | 01:49 PM
#13
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From: 767er Captain
OK.. sorry. I read a post that was akin to being stuck in a North Vietnamese prison camp, and I asked a question. Seems to me that almost anything would be better than having bamboo shoots under your fingernails. So since I have no idea of the real "reason" of your post, I'll leave you guys to wallow in your own self pity... Have a wonderful weekend.
even you packrat.
even you packrat.
07-11-2014 | 01:51 PM
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From: 767er Captain
07-11-2014 | 03:15 PM
#15
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Remember that many of us have been at Allegiant for 7-10 years. Allegiant was a life raft in an industry that was sinking after 9/11. It wasn't a fancy raft, but it stayed afloat and kept us alive. However, the current management has punctured holes in the raft that are causing us to take on water. The powers that be aren't even trying to patch them. Many of us are signaling the few 160,000 ton luxury cruise ships, but they won't take all of us (at least not right away). In the meantime, we are watching people jumping from perfectly safe smaller boats and starting to swim towards our raft just because it's "bigger" than the boat that they are on. I believe the first post was an attempt to signal those people to stay in their boats and wait for the cruise liner. For those whose boats are currently at the bottom of the ocean and are treading water, go ahead and swim towards our raft. But be advised that we are fresh out of Mai Tai's and shrimp cocktails.
07-11-2014 | 05:44 PM
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07-11-2014 | 05:57 PM
#17
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From: gear polisher
Get to know what a true Platinum standard looks like, accountability and transparency beyond comparison! Unmatched quality of life, working conditions and benefits! Quick upgrades and high quality training in the best maintained equipment in the airline business!!!
Stop laughing.
Here's what you can really expect:
An insulting and unprofessional interview process
Inadequate training that has literally been shut down by the FAA and resulted in terminations, certificate action and resignations (feeling lucky?). Poor simulator support, rushed and minimal hours in training, old and outdated materials, inexperienced instructors, etc. Be ready for the excuses.
If you manage to get through, expect years of TDY you will be living in hotels while on reserve with un-commutable schedules.
While you are there, you will be jerked around every day by a scheduler that was just hired last week and will probably quit tomorrow. Like most other support functions, they have no idea what they are doing because turnover is so fast and middle managers are understaffed and overwhelmed. Expect a phone call at 4 am on your single day off to be junior assigned.
You won't have any control or visibility in to your schedule because our schedulers can't even figure out the Merlot PBS nightmare (keep track of your duty times because they can't, nor can they figure out seniority). Oh, and Merlot can't track your pay either.
Dispatch positions are also hired as apprentices and cut loose with little supervision. You're on your own out there so don't expect a call. Good luck getting more gas than the absolute minimum. No accounting for conditions enroute or arrival. Minimum legal.
Maintenance control, IT, Customer Service (contract), Ramp (contract), pubs, etc., are other agencies that are run on a shoestring budget with high turnover and frustration. You will be trying to catch their mistakes every day
Terribly maintained equipment with high engine failures, never ending flight control and flight guidance problems not being fixed by "apprentice mechanics" hired with no experience at sub-industry wages.
Being "pushed" and pressured to continue, even when you are stressed, fatigued or feeling the conditions are unsafe. Dispatch/scheduling: "are you refusing this assignment!?"
Punishing Management interrogations at corporate when you eventually stumble
It's no wonder the applications have slowed to a trickle and pilots are declining interviews. Management has ensured a very good chance of a strike. Now they have decided things are 'different' by designing TDY bases to accommodate the seasonal bumps our business plan uses. It has been our CEOs plan all along to create a highly mobile work force, (correction: flexible!) that can easily be moved between seasonal markets. We already have pilots that have been deployed for 18 months from home with very few chances to commute. Allegiant management couldn't care less about it's pilots and these policies are a clear example of that. Forced on us against a court-ordered status quo, despite our MEC's complaints, TDY basing was announced with virtually no specifics and only 2 days to bid. It was so unpopular that the left seat went to guys that were only signed off IOE in May. They probably have no idea what's in store for them.
All this for a thankless boss that offers the minimum (substandard compensation, work rules, and benefits), and staffs the operation to drive people to failure.
For those of us who have been here, the idea that a brand new hire, so badly trained, with so little experience in the shady -80 (very tough plane to fly), unaccustomed to the non-existent support, with broken planes, remote destinations and new hire FOs, this is very scary. ValueJet all over again (ValuGiant).
Unless you relish years of fatigue, frustration, disrespect, stress and risk (pink slip, Certificate action, accident, etc), don't come to Allegiant. Although our union is working hard at improving our conditions, it could be a long time before we get a contract and even then, we will still have the same management. There are too many other airlines out there that that recognize and value their employees. Many of our pilots, even relatively senior captains, are leaving because the conditions have become unbearable. In response, management simply shrugs their shoulders and presses on finding new ways to profit at the employees expense.
You have been warned.
Stop laughing.
Here's what you can really expect:
An insulting and unprofessional interview process
Inadequate training that has literally been shut down by the FAA and resulted in terminations, certificate action and resignations (feeling lucky?). Poor simulator support, rushed and minimal hours in training, old and outdated materials, inexperienced instructors, etc. Be ready for the excuses.
If you manage to get through, expect years of TDY you will be living in hotels while on reserve with un-commutable schedules.
While you are there, you will be jerked around every day by a scheduler that was just hired last week and will probably quit tomorrow. Like most other support functions, they have no idea what they are doing because turnover is so fast and middle managers are understaffed and overwhelmed. Expect a phone call at 4 am on your single day off to be junior assigned.
You won't have any control or visibility in to your schedule because our schedulers can't even figure out the Merlot PBS nightmare (keep track of your duty times because they can't, nor can they figure out seniority). Oh, and Merlot can't track your pay either.
Dispatch positions are also hired as apprentices and cut loose with little supervision. You're on your own out there so don't expect a call. Good luck getting more gas than the absolute minimum. No accounting for conditions enroute or arrival. Minimum legal.
Maintenance control, IT, Customer Service (contract), Ramp (contract), pubs, etc., are other agencies that are run on a shoestring budget with high turnover and frustration. You will be trying to catch their mistakes every day
Terribly maintained equipment with high engine failures, never ending flight control and flight guidance problems not being fixed by "apprentice mechanics" hired with no experience at sub-industry wages.
Being "pushed" and pressured to continue, even when you are stressed, fatigued or feeling the conditions are unsafe. Dispatch/scheduling: "are you refusing this assignment!?"
Punishing Management interrogations at corporate when you eventually stumble
It's no wonder the applications have slowed to a trickle and pilots are declining interviews. Management has ensured a very good chance of a strike. Now they have decided things are 'different' by designing TDY bases to accommodate the seasonal bumps our business plan uses. It has been our CEOs plan all along to create a highly mobile work force, (correction: flexible!) that can easily be moved between seasonal markets. We already have pilots that have been deployed for 18 months from home with very few chances to commute. Allegiant management couldn't care less about it's pilots and these policies are a clear example of that. Forced on us against a court-ordered status quo, despite our MEC's complaints, TDY basing was announced with virtually no specifics and only 2 days to bid. It was so unpopular that the left seat went to guys that were only signed off IOE in May. They probably have no idea what's in store for them.
All this for a thankless boss that offers the minimum (substandard compensation, work rules, and benefits), and staffs the operation to drive people to failure.
For those of us who have been here, the idea that a brand new hire, so badly trained, with so little experience in the shady -80 (very tough plane to fly), unaccustomed to the non-existent support, with broken planes, remote destinations and new hire FOs, this is very scary. ValueJet all over again (ValuGiant).
Unless you relish years of fatigue, frustration, disrespect, stress and risk (pink slip, Certificate action, accident, etc), don't come to Allegiant. Although our union is working hard at improving our conditions, it could be a long time before we get a contract and even then, we will still have the same management. There are too many other airlines out there that that recognize and value their employees. Many of our pilots, even relatively senior captains, are leaving because the conditions have become unbearable. In response, management simply shrugs their shoulders and presses on finding new ways to profit at the employees expense.
You have been warned.
"These are good problems to have"
07-11-2014 | 06:25 PM
#18
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Joined: Aug 2007
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From: Left
As a pilot working for a part 135 operator, not the best, not the worst, I got a bad bad feeling during my phone interview, total D**ks, told them I would leave in 6 months if a major called. And they still offered me an interview. Wow, I hope you all find greener grass.
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