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TeddyKGB 09-20-2014 12:02 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1731059)
Again with the cost neutral bull****. :rolleyes: You and PD need to have a pity party next time you see each other on the road.

Just quoting what Richard Anderson told Wall Street regarding the PWA after it was signed. Try raising your aim a little when you fill out your contract survey.

tsquare 09-20-2014 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1731066)
Just quoting what Richard Anderson told Wall Street regarding the PWA after it was signed. Try raising your aim a little when you fill out your contract survey.

Yeah... keep taking it out of context to suit your propaganda message. Nobody who knows what it meant pays it any heed, but I guess it works on you.

tsquare 09-20-2014 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1731065)
I guess my confusion is definition based. I thought premium WB was 777/747. Would that be super premium?

Thus, 7ER is premium I take it.

Used in a sentence. Carl is a super premium WB pilot and T is a premium WB pilot.

Correct now?

Definitions aside. We can thank American for agreeing to a band that has their a330 pilots making 777 pay.

When Rich orders 50 a330's this quarter, we at least have that going for us. It's not all bad T as long as we can pattern off their bar.

Well... we wanted bigger pays more.... of course those 330s won't be here for 10 years, so we have THAT going for us.

And I couldn't care less what's premium... super premium... I am all about QOL at this point. The 757/767 offers me the best QOL with the best trip mix that I can hold. YMMV.

And yes, I do thank American for doing that.

TeddyKGB 09-20-2014 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1731089)
Yeah... keep taking it out of context to suit your propaganda message. Nobody who knows what it meant pays it any heed, but I guess it works on you.

Anderson told Wall Street that the PWA was cost neutral. He even elaborated on it saying how the reduction in profit sharing will pay for the pay raises. I guess there is some part of cost neutral that you don't understand. :cool:

sailingfun 09-20-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1731093)
Anderson told Wall Street that the PWA was cost neutral. He even elaborated on it saying how the reduction in profit sharing will pay for the pay raises. I guess there is some part of cost neutral that you don't understand. :cool:

How could a reduction in the profit sharing that maxes out at 2% of annual salary pay for the raises? Anderson is a smart man and I don't think he would make such a stupid statement.
What he did say when asked if Delta could afford the raise was that he expected the increased revenue from the new fleet plan would offset the cost of the contract.

80ktsClamp 09-20-2014 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1731096)
How could a reduction in the profit sharing that maxes out at 2% of annual salary pay for the raises. Anderson is a smart man and I don't think he would make such a stupid statement.

First of all, the statement was widely published.

Second- Show your math for the 2%, Captain Data.

tsquare 09-20-2014 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1731093)
Anderson told Wall Street that the PWA was cost neutral. He even elaborated on it saying how the reduction in profit sharing will pay for the pay raises. I guess there is some part of cost neutral that you don't understand. :cool:


lulz................

sailingfun 09-20-2014 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1731097)
First of all, the statement was widely published.

Second- Show your math for the 2%, Captain Data.

I am a bit surprised that your asking since this was well covered in the contract summaries and is not difficult math.
The old profit sharing was 15% of the first 2.5 billion or 375 million dollars. The new program reduced that by ⅓ or 250,000 million dollars. The difference is 125 million. The pool last year was 506 million and paid about 8.1%. Without the change the pool would have been 6325000.00. Each 100 million in profit sharing was worth about 1.6 percent of income in the profit sharing check. That number will be slightly smaller this year because of a larger number of employees. The money pool however should exceed 900 million this year. Going to be a nice check.

Alan Shore 09-20-2014 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1731093)
Anderson told Wall Street that the PWA was cost neutral. He even elaborated on it saying how the reduction in profit sharing will pay for the pay raises.

No. He said that the efficiencies gained in the new contract (about 125 pilots, as I recall), plus the DCI flexibility that let him park the 50-seaters more quickly, would help make the new contract affordable. Neither he, Bastian, nor Campbell EVER uttered the words "cost neutral."


Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1731093)
I guess there is some part of cost neutral that you don't understand. :cool:

Right back at'cha!! ;)

sailingfun 09-21-2014 04:39 AM

[QUOTE=Alan Shore;1731152]No. He said that the efficiencies gained in the new contract (about 125 pilots, as I recall), plus the DCI flexibility that let him park the 50-seaters more quickly, would help make the new contract affordable. Neither he, Bastian, nor Campbell EVER uttered the words "cost neutral."

Here is what Campbell said.

"Delta, our pilots and ALPA continue to benefit from a very constructive, proactive relationship, one that is unprecedented in our industry," said Mike Campbell, executive vice president – Human Resources and Labor Relations. "This tentative agreement represents an investment in our pilots and our company as it gives Delta significant fleet flexibility, the ability to continue running a reliable operation for our customers, and a profitable enterprise for shareholders and for all Delta people. The fleet changes provided by this agreement, coupled with the productivity and profit sharing changes, cover the investments in our employees.

"We strongly support the Delta MEC's endorsement and are optimistic that Delta pilots will ratify the tentative agreement," Campbell said.


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