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Old 02-18-2015, 03:54 PM
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Someone please explain how Delta staffs a north Atlantic 8hrs +, flight with a third pilot when line check airman is conduction IOE or OE. Does the FAA require you to have a 4th pilot so when the line check airman goes for his break the OE student takes a break as well- thus always having two current, qualified pilots on deck?

We are debating this over at UAL.
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For TOE, one of the other FO's is released with pay. (The senior one is given the option of staying on the trip.) He is usually notified the night before. In any case, the flight operates with a total of 3 pilots.
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...so when the line check airman goes for his break the OE student takes a break as well- thus always having two current, qualified pilots on deck?
FWIW, this is how Atlas does it.
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When the Captain goes on break the TOE student remains in the cockpit with the remaining FO. 4th pilot not required during 3 man TOE's. That's the Delta way.
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When the Captain goes on break the TOE student remains in the cockpit with the remaining FO. 4th pilot not required during 3 man TOE's. That's the Delta way.
This is the "debate" we are having over on the UAL thread.
How is it technically "legal" to have a pilot who is not signed off yet to be on the flight deck with another FO. (not the PIC/Checkairman)?
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive View Post
This is the "debate" we are having over on the UAL thread.
How is it technically "legal" to have a pilot who is not signed off yet to be on the flight deck with another FO. (not the PIC/Checkairman)?
Anyone at Delta care to comment. Didn't intend to bring our debate over here. Just looking for answers from a DELTA pilot.
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Originally Posted by BMEP100 View Post
Someone please explain how Delta staffs a north Atlantic 8hrs +, flight with a third pilot when line check airman is conduction IOE or OE. Does the FAA require you to have a 4th pilot so when the line check airman goes for his break the OE student takes a break as well- thus always having two current, qualified pilots on deck?

We are debating this over at UAL.
For a 3 men crew (a330) nobody gets released. When LCA and OE student go on break the other 2 pilots are needed because A330 only flies international. On a 4 men crew most senior FO gets released. On the 767/757 OE student is qualified as crew member due to initial domestic OE. In this case student is qualified on airplane and most senior FO will get released.
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Originally Posted by BMEP100 View Post
Anyone at Delta care to comment. Didn't intend to bring our debate over here. Just looking for answers from a DELTA pilot.
Is a LCA @ UAL allowed to go to the bathroom while giving OE to a new hire. That would result in zero qualified pilots on the flight deck for lets say 10 minutes if he ate at Taco Bell for lunch.
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive View Post
This is the "debate" we are having over on the UAL thread.
How is it technically "legal" to have a pilot who is not signed off yet to be on the flight deck with another FO. (not the PIC/Checkairman)?
FWIW, a Delta pilot doing TOE has already done OE and has been signed off prior to doing his 2 TOE's.
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Originally Posted by TeddyKGB View Post
FWIW, a Delta pilot doing TOE has already done OE and has been signed off prior to doing his 2 TOE's.
Correct....
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