Is this happening elsewhere?
04-12-2015 | 05:02 PM
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You mean like pretty much every other professional employee out there? That's exactly how the rest of the white collar, highly skilled professionals like doctors, lawyers, engineers, and investment bankers are paid.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
04-12-2015 | 05:29 PM
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So when you said this back in 2011.....
So when you said this back in 2011.....
What were you getting at, or trying to get at?
Originally Posted by iahflyr
That is crazy. I had never worked for a union airline so I have no idea how unions get away with this. If you don't want to join the union, you shouldn't have to pay the union dues. What rule/law allows this to happen?
That is crazy. I had never worked for a union airline so I have no idea how unions get away with this. If you don't want to join the union, you shouldn't have to pay the union dues. What rule/law allows this to happen?
So when you said this back in 2011.....
Originally Posted by iahflyr
Having flown at both non-union and union carriers
Having flown at both non-union and union carriers
Can't get away with anything around here.... lol
04-12-2015 | 07:18 PM
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I still maintain that the non-union carrier was far superior to similarly sized union carriers. Plus I didn't have to give up 2% of my pay.
04-12-2015 | 07:26 PM
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04-12-2015 | 08:09 PM
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If you notice the use of the word "had" versus "have." Yes, I have worked for both union and non-union carriers. Until recently, I "had" never worked for a union carrier. That is why I don't fully understand every detail about a union carrier (and truthfully I will never really "understand" them).
I still maintain that the non-union carrier was far superior to similarly sized union carriers. Plus I didn't have to give up 2% of my pay.
I still maintain that the non-union carrier was far superior to similarly sized union carriers. Plus I didn't have to give up 2% of my pay.
Respectfully, I submit that your non union job payed as well as it did to compete with the pay at union carriers.
04-12-2015 | 08:14 PM
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You mean like pretty much every other professional employee out there? That's exactly how the rest of the white collar, highly skilled professionals like doctors, lawyers, engineers, and investment bankers are paid.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
The professions you listed above are also not "hourly" workers like pilots are, they are salaried and probably get bonuses. You'd have to change the basic way pilots are paid.
Your whole post does not make sense to me. There is no way, with the current system, that you can compare the way pilots pursue their pay and career goals to the other professions you mention.
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04-13-2015 | 04:16 AM
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You mean like pretty much every other professional employee out there? That's exactly how the rest of the white collar, highly skilled professionals like doctors, lawyers, engineers, and investment bankers are paid.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
Pay rates are set by the company. You don't like the pay, then go to another company. When the company realizes that they need to pay hire enough employees, or to hire the best of the best employees, they raise pay. Pay is set by the law of supply and demand, and for highly skilled jobs, it tends to be very high. This is how doctors, lawyers, engineers, investment bankers, and all other professionals are paid. It works out pretty well for them.
If we want to start being treated like professionals (rather than hourly blue collar union workers) and we want to continue being paid like professionals, we should really drop this mentality that unions are the only way to achieve our goals.
Not only the professionals you mentioned are free to move laterally, but they can reasonably open their own practice, that is why their retribution must be attractive.
04-13-2015 | 04:29 AM
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Agreed. Just like all major/legacy carriers are unionized. Don't like paying union dues, don't apply to that airline. It is irritating to hear new hires complain about paying union dues after getting hired and agitate against the union. Didn't you know that this was a unionized carrier prior to applying?
04-13-2015 | 05:01 AM
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Agreed. Just like all major/legacy carriers are unionized. Don't like paying union dues, don't apply to that airline. It is irritating to hear new hires complain about paying union dues after getting hired and agitate against the union. Didn't you know that this was a unionized carrier prior to applying?
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