68 Is The New 60
04-24-2015, 01:29 PM
#42
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Well. Let's get a study going on this right away. After 5 years or so...maybe we can get some good data. Meanwhile...tic toc... keep those retirements a flowing...wooo hoooo. 
bump bump bump....another one bites the dust
bump bump bump....another one bites the dust
04-24-2015, 01:29 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by encore
Very few people benefited. The age increase didn't give everyone 5 more years at the top. It gave everyone 5 more years where they were at that moment.
Theres no way to spin this that it was a good thing for most airline pilots. It screwed us over. All because a select few thought they didn't have to play by the rules that our career is based upon.
Theres no way to spin this that it was a good thing for most airline pilots. It screwed us over. All because a select few thought they didn't have to play by the rules that our career is based upon.
That was back then. I'm not arguing it was good for "most everyone" back then.
I'm arguing that things are different now, and it WILL BE good for most everyone. Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong.
04-24-2015, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
When I returned to UAL between furloughs, I was on the 75/76. Just prior to the age change. I remember flying with a 57 year old capt who took great delight in showing me his 'love me' book where in addition to all of his toys, he showed off his early 30s wife and 2 year old.
As someone who had just spent about 5 years on furlough, I found it fairly offensive to show me his 'wealth'. I hope she divorced him took every freaking toy he had, got a ton of child support/alimony, and I hope he is now an over 65 sim instructor in China or the Middle East.
As someone who had just spent about 5 years on furlough, I found it fairly offensive to show me his 'wealth'. I hope she divorced him took every freaking toy he had, got a ton of child support/alimony, and I hope he is now an over 65 sim instructor in China or the Middle East.
04-24-2015, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
I get it. I don't mean to sound cold, or unaware. But it's not just pilots that have endured a consistent degradation in QOL and pay. The whole middle class of America has. Pilots are hardly alone in that.
Most everyone comes into this industry knowing the risks, variables, and possibilities. It sucks that some people lose in the Airline Casino lottery, but they knew it was possible, that it could happen, it would be beyond their control, and they would be helpless to do anything about it.
The past cannot be changed. I'm always looking ahead for possibilities and potential. But I've always been a "glass half full" person.
Most everyone comes into this industry knowing the risks, variables, and possibilities. It sucks that some people lose in the Airline Casino lottery, but they knew it was possible, that it could happen, it would be beyond their control, and they would be helpless to do anything about it.
The past cannot be changed. I'm always looking ahead for possibilities and potential. But I've always been a "glass half full" person.
This is not like any other industry. No one can do what we do without spending the next 3 to 5 years engrossed in study.
My point is that another 2 years will allow for the continued devaluation of this profession at the regional level and consequently the major level. Don't think for a minute that if this law is changed, that it will not be used to force concessions from regional pilots.
I guess we could always quit....but that's a glass half empty mentality and like you I'm an optimist.
The 2 year extension is inevitable.
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04-24-2015, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
How do you know external demand won't exceed the increase in supply of an age extension??
The downward shifts in the supply/demand curves due to an age increase result in permanently lower pilot wages. So age 65 has not only decreased my lifetime earnings, it also decreased the lifetime earnings of airline pilots who haven't even logged a single hour in a plane yet.
Again, this isn't rocket science; it's extremely basic economics. Freshman level.
04-24-2015, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
External demand is irrelevant.
I've said my .02, and also said I could be wrong. Is that ok? Geez.
04-24-2015, 03:35 PM
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Age 67 or 68 is knee jerk reaction. Few of us have bodies that will hold out that long. Simple arthritis in the knees will prevent you from being able to do SE approaches. Your hearing will be going at that age too. Vision will be losing acuity, even with glasses, bi-focals, tri focals. Most people's body can't take the abuse of being an airline pilot that long.
