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05-27-2015, 02:36 PM
#51
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Position: MD-11 FO
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
Actually had some jackalope yell at the captain the other day around 40W. He was talking to the C-17 we were passing on 123.45 and someone started yelling, "This is 123.45. If you wanna talk, go find an air to air frequency." Hand to God.
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're going to XXN XXW next and we're estimating XXN XXW at XXXX. Uh, we're at 350 with some light chop. How are the rides?"
NY ARINC: (after several "Say Again"s) "What is your current position?"
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're here now."
The IRO and I were just scratching our heads.
I won't name the airline, but it was one of the big 3 and not headquartered in Chicago or Fort Worth.
05-27-2015, 02:45 PM
#52
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
I wonder if it was the guy who had to give his position report no less than 8 times to NY ARINC because he was doing it in the oddest format I'd ever heard.
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're going to XXN XXW next and we're estimating XXN XXW at XXXX. Uh, we're at 350 with some light chop. How are the rides?"
NY ARINC: (after several "Say Again"s) "What is your current position?"
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're here now."
The IRO and I were just scratching our heads.
I won't name the airline, but it was one of the big 3 and not headquartered in Chicago or Fort Worth.
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're going to XXN XXW next and we're estimating XXN XXW at XXXX. Uh, we're at 350 with some light chop. How are the rides?"
NY ARINC: (after several "Say Again"s) "What is your current position?"
Unnamed Air Line: "Uh...we're here now."
The IRO and I were just scratching our heads.
I won't name the airline, but it was one of the big 3 and not headquartered in Chicago or Fort Worth.
05-27-2015, 03:28 PM
#53
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Probably a new hire making his first position report.
05-27-2015, 03:29 PM
#54
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
You (and a few other regional lifers) are so far off the mark about Sully. He is not insulting regional pilots personally. He is simply commenting that the regional system lags behind the major carriers when it comes to their safety departments. He does not say that all regional pilots are bad pilots, but that it is much easier for a bad pilot to get on with a regional than a major carrier. Do you think the training department of Great Lakes is on par with United? Neither does Sully. Sure, you might work at a regional with the best training department (insert today's greatest regional), but there are many more smaller carriers who are simply trying to survive that don't have the resources the provide great training. Right now regionals are hiring anyone whose logbook has 1500 hours and some are upgrading them as soon as they reach insurance minimums. They don't have the time to wait for these new captains to experience a winter deicing and will count on a 10 minute PowerPoint slide taking the place of actual experience.
Personally, I agree with what Sully is trying accomplish when he makes claims about training. The fact of the matter is regional pilots have less time that mainline carriers. That makes them less experienced. His claims about training, however, are categorically misrepresented. We all pass the same ATP ride don't we?
Grand scheme of things: the more fear the public has in regards to regionals the faster I get a mainline job. I'm all for it.
05-27-2015, 03:31 PM
#55
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
My first trip as a new hire (after OE) was to Aruba. I didn't sound remotely that bad doing my first position report.
05-27-2015, 03:44 PM
#56
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
He got the APU running as soon as they hit the birds, dummy. That sharp reaction preserved normal power to the plane.
Upset about the 1500 hour rule, I'm guessing?
Upset about the 1500 hour rule, I'm guessing?
. Good try though.Wouldn't 2 dead engines immediately cause the RAT to deploy and the aircraf to begin running off batteries? How long does an APU take to start? Again, good try.
Originally Posted by aewanabe
I'm guessing you don't read NTSB reports. It was pretty well established there were zero good motors.
05-27-2015, 04:19 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg
I have a job the 1500 hour rule has nothing to do with me. It will also ensure I get paid more so I have no qualms about it . Good try though.
Wouldn't 2 dead engines immediately cause the RAT to deploy and the aircraf to begin running off batteries? How long does an APU take to start? Again, good try.
Anyone can type whatever they want into an NTSB report as long as they have the authority to do so. Why throw the guy under a bus (no pun) after he has been declared a hero? How does that help aviation as a whole? Hell guys on a sim demonstrated he could have made the airport. Again, why throw him under the bus? What gets me is when everyone takes his word as the word of God when there is no reason he should have been in the river to begin with. I understand they were focused on starting number 2 (which was dead) but number 1 was making some power. Why hasn't the NTSB released an animation that shows the engines rolling back after they took the birds? All the released was a transcript and a high level view of the incident.
. Good try though.Wouldn't 2 dead engines immediately cause the RAT to deploy and the aircraf to begin running off batteries? How long does an APU take to start? Again, good try.
Anyone can type whatever they want into an NTSB report as long as they have the authority to do so. Why throw the guy under a bus (no pun) after he has been declared a hero? How does that help aviation as a whole? Hell guys on a sim demonstrated he could have made the airport. Again, why throw him under the bus? What gets me is when everyone takes his word as the word of God when there is no reason he should have been in the river to begin with. I understand they were focused on starting number 2 (which was dead) but number 1 was making some power. Why hasn't the NTSB released an animation that shows the engines rolling back after they took the birds? All the released was a transcript and a high level view of the incident.
05-27-2015, 04:33 PM
#59
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
Probably a new hire making his first position report.
05-27-2015, 04:55 PM
#60
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
Do you commute with a lot of former America West pilots by chance?
The APU on the bus (not counting flap open time) takes 60 to 80 seconds to start supplying electrical power to the aircraft. The RAT deploys when no generators are working on the airplane. So either the APU started nearly instantly or the aircraft had a working generator (i.e. an engine making power). Which was it?
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