Emirates to Grab Longest-Flight Title
08-13-2015, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Yeah, it is. Let me make it simple for you.
Suppose you are a business owner. Let's say you own a sandwich shop. After years of working hard, you have established your business and are modestly successful. Your place has a good reputation in town that you worked hard to create. You treat your employees well and compensate them fairly.
Then one day I open a competing sandwich shop across the street. No problem you figure, you will double down and compete with me. The only problem is, my old man is a very wealthy guy and is desperate to see me finally "make it" in life. You see, I've been a dysfunctional screwball for a long time, much to the great frustration of the old man. So, to make sure that I finally grow up and make something of myself, the old man directly injects his own money into the business. He has deep pockets and is determined to do whatever it takes, year after year. This unnatural market distortion allows me to put the screws to you across the street. Before long, your former customers are telling you about the better quality and cheaper sandwiches across the street. They start to see you as incompetent. After all, why can't you provide a product at a price like the guy across the street? Must be something wrong with you! Of course, I can afford to load up my sandwiches in a way that would be completely unsustainable for you. Before long, you are looking at your business failing. Your customers are now mine.
I suppose that you would be just fine with such a scenario.
Get it now?
Suppose you are a business owner. Let's say you own a sandwich shop. After years of working hard, you have established your business and are modestly successful. Your place has a good reputation in town that you worked hard to create. You treat your employees well and compensate them fairly.
Then one day I open a competing sandwich shop across the street. No problem you figure, you will double down and compete with me. The only problem is, my old man is a very wealthy guy and is desperate to see me finally "make it" in life. You see, I've been a dysfunctional screwball for a long time, much to the great frustration of the old man. So, to make sure that I finally grow up and make something of myself, the old man directly injects his own money into the business. He has deep pockets and is determined to do whatever it takes, year after year. This unnatural market distortion allows me to put the screws to you across the street. Before long, your former customers are telling you about the better quality and cheaper sandwiches across the street. They start to see you as incompetent. After all, why can't you provide a product at a price like the guy across the street? Must be something wrong with you! Of course, I can afford to load up my sandwiches in a way that would be completely unsustainable for you. Before long, you are looking at your business failing. Your customers are now mine.
I suppose that you would be just fine with such a scenario.
Get it now?
08-13-2015, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Except your sandwich stop is in the United States and his is in Dubai. No American is buying their sandwiches from Emirates here. Your scenario would make sense if Emirates was flying LGA-ATL, then you have a point.
08-13-2015, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by encore
Its easy to do things like this when you get interest free loans to buy airplanes, free airports to hub them out of, and don't have to pay for fuel to fly them.
Once again total crap from the propaganda campaign. Do you truly believe what you have just written here? If so, prove it. Who has received "interest free loans to buy airplanes"? What are the airport and landing charges in Dubai for Emirates and other carriers? Free fuel? Really? Just how gullible are you?
To stay on point with this thread though. The route has a lot of potential not only from the Panama canal market, but from neighboring/nearby countries such as Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru.
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08-13-2015, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
And that is where things are ultimately headed.
08-13-2015, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
If that happens, it won't be the fault of Emirates. The responsibility falls on our lawmakers here. Being the sellouts they usually are who knows what'll happen. But if Emirates does start domestic routes there would most likely be a caveat that it be domestic-based US crews. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
08-13-2015, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Once again total crap from the propaganda campaign. Do you truly believe what you have just written here? If so, prove it. Who has received "interest free loans to buy airplanes"? What are the airport and landing charges in Dubai for Emirates and other carriers? Free fuel? Really? Just how gullible are you?
To stay on point with this thread though. The route has a lot of potential not only from the Panama canal market, but from neighboring/nearby countries such as Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru.
Typhoonpilot
To stay on point with this thread though. The route has a lot of potential not only from the Panama canal market, but from neighboring/nearby countries such as Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru.
Typhoonpilot
08-13-2015, 06:23 PM
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I don't like it any more then the next guy, but the reality is, this is the future of global air travel.
With the **** poor customer service the Big-3 provide when compared to foreign airlines, it's only going to get worse.
Case in point; When asked what AAG would do with their record profits, Doug Parker stated that he would "reward the shareholders." How about investing in the airline and trying to retain and gain customers? The legacy airlines have zero loyalty to the future of their respective airlines, only this quarters stock price.
With the **** poor customer service the Big-3 provide when compared to foreign airlines, it's only going to get worse.
Case in point; When asked what AAG would do with their record profits, Doug Parker stated that he would "reward the shareholders." How about investing in the airline and trying to retain and gain customers? The legacy airlines have zero loyalty to the future of their respective airlines, only this quarters stock price.
08-13-2015, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SayAlt
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Copa will operate to Dubai
Its easy to do things like this when you get interest free loans to buy airplanes, free airports to hub them out of, and don't have to pay for fuel to fly them.
08-13-2015, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Growth year after year far in excess of what makes any sense reference global GDP. Massive orders for an aircraft type that the rest of the world can't make a normal business case for (if at all). Nope, nothing odd going on there!
Instead of thinking conspiracy theory how about thinking it is a well run airline. Emirates consistently has an 80% system wide load factor and is profitable even with their high growth rate. They do that by having a good product and flight connections that work for many travelers.
It would be nice if the U.S. carriers and their alliance partners would compete against Emirates and the other foreign airlines. They just can't on some routes due to geographic limitations. On others they need to better coordinate the consistency of the product offering and flight timings.
For example on a PTY to PVG routing a traveler will soon be able to go PTY-DXB-PVG with a 2-4 hour connection and only 2 sectors. The offerings via U.S. carriers are usually 3 flights and upwards of 11 hour connections between flights (and that would require a U.S. transit Visa). Via Europe isn't a whole lot better, but you can find some 2 sector offerings with between 5 and 9 hour connection times.
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08-13-2015, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Instead of thinking conspiracy theory how about thinking it is a well run airline. Emirates consistently has an 80% system wide load factor and is profitable even with their high growth rate. They do that by having a good product and flight connections that work for many travelers.
It would be nice if the U.S. carriers and their alliance partners would compete against Emirates and the other foreign airlines. They just can't on some routes due to geographic limitations. On others they need to better coordinate the consistency of the product offering and flight timings.
For example on a PTY to PVG routing a traveler will soon be able to go PTY-DXB-PVG with a 2-4 hour connection and only 2 sectors. The offerings via U.S. carriers are usually 3 flights and upwards of 11 hour connections between flights (and that would require a U.S. transit Visa). Via Europe isn't a whole lot better, but you can find some 2 sector offerings with between 5 and 9 hour connection times.
TP
It would be nice if the U.S. carriers and their alliance partners would compete against Emirates and the other foreign airlines. They just can't on some routes due to geographic limitations. On others they need to better coordinate the consistency of the product offering and flight timings.
For example on a PTY to PVG routing a traveler will soon be able to go PTY-DXB-PVG with a 2-4 hour connection and only 2 sectors. The offerings via U.S. carriers are usually 3 flights and upwards of 11 hour connections between flights (and that would require a U.S. transit Visa). Via Europe isn't a whole lot better, but you can find some 2 sector offerings with between 5 and 9 hour connection times.
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