Originally Posted by DFW Refugee

I too have seen it, ATL-->DFW.

Luckily, the gate agent noticed and told me the FAA guy wasn't a Safety Inspector. I had higher priority as a pilot commuting home than he did, doing 'whatever.'

I went back to the plane and told the captain about the situation; the FAA guy backed down and said he'd try another flight. (His first was an rj that cancelled.) Later, in flight, at my suggestion, the non-commuting captain checked Chapter 4 in the FOM. I was correct, lucky, and in the seat.

(Speaking of "get over yourselves," how's your buddy Mullis doing? )


DFW

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer

Actually had an issue with this several months ago...two FAA guys on the first two ATL-DFW FLIGHTS...third flight had delta dude reservation. I was standby for it until an FAA guys assumed it was "HIS". He did not identify himself to me nor did he have any ID on display. It devaluated into an ugly mess. CPO involved, Jumpseat committee notified, reports filed. Found out that they have been doing it ALOT. MY brother-in-law is big Whig with FAA in DC. He told me long time ago that unless they are on "official business" then they DO NOT have the right to bump you off the jump seat. Having worked for the FAA during furlough, I understand the mentality of quite a few of them... Band Camp with Authority. Some of them are GREAT....but unfortunately, many have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to pilots. As far as I'm concerned, which matters very little, they should be using their government credit cards and buying tickets. Nerd...I will have to give you the full scoop next time our paths cross...

Originally Posted by Rothladoad

That answer has me perplexed. **********

Originally Posted by NERD

I understand that, and if they were airline inspectors that would be fine. But this is everything from guys assigned to GA, Mx guys and everything in between. What they are doing is using it for company business. IE: Get to training free vs their office buying a ticket. Several of them have told me that they would rather ride in the back but the supervisor makes them JS for budget reasons.

Originally Posted by LivnDaDrm

The Jump Seat belongs to the Administrator (FAA) too bad if you dont like it. When an FAA Inspector takes the JumpSeat and bruises your Fragile Ego THAT is just the way it goes. If you want to get a copy of the Pilot Bill of Rights in mail just try to deny the jump seat and see how it plays out.
14CFR Part 25.785
(l) Each forward observer's seat required by the operating rules must be shown to be suitable for use in conducting the necessary enroute inspection.
14CFR Part 121.547
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—
(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;

The Seat is for "The Administrator" FAA ASI

Originally Posted by Stetson29

so he commutes on the jumpseat every morning and jumpseats home in the evening.
Is this an abuse of his privilege?
If so, who do you complain to?

Originally Posted by Packrat

Using facts with some of these butt hurt pilots is like trying to teach a pig to whistle....



Its a waste of your time and it irritates the pig.



However, THANK YOU for presenting the facts in a manner even the lowliest pilot can understand. You do have to pierce the ego, however, and that may be the greatest challenge.

Originally Posted by Packrat

And how many pilots have used the jumpseat for vacationing? Saw lots of that going to Hawaii and Alaska.

FAA inspectors are authorized to ride the jumpseat to conduct route checks. Doesn't matter if they're GA or whatever. They're authorized and they have higher priority than you.

Ever see a Captain deny a Fed? No way and you never will.

Get over yourselves.