FAA Jumpseating in and out of DFW
#41
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The Jump Seat belongs to the Administrator (FAA) too bad if you dont like it. When an FAA Inspector takes the JumpSeat and bruises your Fragile Ego THAT is just the way it goes. If you want to get a copy of the Pilot Bill of Rights in mail just try to deny the jump seat and see how it plays out.
14CFR Part 25.785
(l) Each forward observer's seat required by the operating rules must be shown to be suitable for use in conducting the necessary enroute inspection.
14CFR Part 121.547
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—
(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;
The Seat is for "The Administrator" FAA ASI
14CFR Part 25.785
(l) Each forward observer's seat required by the operating rules must be shown to be suitable for use in conducting the necessary enroute inspection.
14CFR Part 121.547
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except—
(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;
The Seat is for "The Administrator" FAA ASI
Wrong reg, skippy.
§121.548 Aviation safety inspector’s credentials: Admission to pilot’s compartment.
Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an inspector of the Federal Aviation Administration presents form FAA 110A, “Aviation Safety Inspector’s Credential,” to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by a certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot’s compartment of that aircraft.
This is as cut and dry as can be. If the fed doesn't have this particular credential, he/she is not allowed. Period.
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#42
Wrong reg, skippy.
§121.548 Aviation safety inspector’s credentials: Admission to pilot’s compartment.
Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an inspector of the Federal Aviation Administration presents form FAA 110A, “Aviation Safety Inspector’s Credential,” to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by a certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot’s compartment of that aircraft.
This is as cut and dry as can be. If the fed doesn't have this particular credential, he/she is not allowed. Period.
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§121.548 Aviation safety inspector’s credentials: Admission to pilot’s compartment.
Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an inspector of the Federal Aviation Administration presents form FAA 110A, “Aviation Safety Inspector’s Credential,” to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by a certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot’s compartment of that aircraft.
This is as cut and dry as can be. If the fed doesn't have this particular credential, he/she is not allowed. Period.
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The Seat is for "The Administrator" FAA ASI
form FAA 110A, “Aviation Safety Inspector’s...must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot’s compartment of that aircraft.
As I said a few posts back, and you also point out above, if the person isn't presenting a Form 110A, they should not be in the jumpseat. If they do - - they are performing duties by proxy of the Administrator - and with it should be performing authorized enroutes.
#43
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Before we start calling people "Skippy", let's review what the poster whom you quoted said:
Now - as you point out above:
You are right. It does sound 'cut and dry'
As I said a few posts back, and you also point out above, if the person isn't presenting a Form 110A, they should not be in the jumpseat. If they do - - they are performing duties by proxy of the Administrator - and with it should be performing authorized enroutes.
Now - as you point out above:
You are right. It does sound 'cut and dry'
As I said a few posts back, and you also point out above, if the person isn't presenting a Form 110A, they should not be in the jumpseat. If they do - - they are performing duties by proxy of the Administrator - and with it should be performing authorized enroutes.
His comment that the seat is for the Administrator makes it sound as if the Administrator graciously allows other people to use the Jumpseat when they don't need it. That is patently false and more to my point. The Administrator insists that they have out right authority to take the seat when they need it which we all agree is correct. In actuality, the Jumpseat is owned by the operator and they set the priority outside what the regs require. I didn't think his "they own it" statement was appropriate.
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#44
His comment that the seat is for the Administrator makes it sound as if the Administrator graciously allows other people to use the Jumpseat when they don't need it. That is patently false and more to my point. The Administrator insists that they have out right authority to take the seat when they need it which we all agree is correct. In actuality, the Jumpseat is owned by the operator and they set the priority outside what the regs require. I didn't think his "they own it" statement was appropriate.
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#45
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#47
I hated seeing that in the office. GA guys jumpseating to DFW to do their recurrent training.
Ask if they are Jumpseat qualified. They need to do 3 levels of "training". Ask to see their 8430-13. These are given out by the office to authorize jumpseat. If they have a beard/ goatee. NOPE!!! And if they give you crap, ask who their FLM is, and a number to reach that FLM to discuss... (FLM=Front Line Manager= their boss).
Ask if they are Jumpseat qualified. They need to do 3 levels of "training". Ask to see their 8430-13. These are given out by the office to authorize jumpseat. If they have a beard/ goatee. NOPE!!! And if they give you crap, ask who their FLM is, and a number to reach that FLM to discuss... (FLM=Front Line Manager= their boss).
#49
FAA has an office where I live but do simulator observations where I am based and where I commute to. They will commute and do multiple observations over several days staying in a government paid hotel.
On particular guy doesn't like to stay in the hotel so he commutes on the jumpseat every morning and jumpseats home in the evening.
Is this an abuse of his privilege?
If so, who do you complain to?
On particular guy doesn't like to stay in the hotel so he commutes on the jumpseat every morning and jumpseats home in the evening.
Is this an abuse of his privilege?
If so, who do you complain to?
#50
I hated seeing that in the office. GA guys jumpseating to DFW to do their recurrent training.
Ask if they are Jumpseat qualified. They need to do 3 levels of "training". Ask to see their 8430-13. These are given out by the office to authorize jumpseat. If they have a beard/ goatee. NOPE!!! And if they give you crap, ask who their FLM is, and a number to reach that FLM to discuss... (FLM=Front Line Manager= their boss).
Ask if they are Jumpseat qualified. They need to do 3 levels of "training". Ask to see their 8430-13. These are given out by the office to authorize jumpseat. If they have a beard/ goatee. NOPE!!! And if they give you crap, ask who their FLM is, and a number to reach that FLM to discuss... (FLM=Front Line Manager= their boss).