Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 2001487)

At all the airlines I've worked at my costs have gone up every year. Same with everyone in my family's and friends insurance I've asked about it, each one of them whether in private or government sector has their health care choice either taken away or the premiums increase. One of my friends who is a teacher had all their plans taken away completely and the only option was a HSA with $10,000 out of pocket max for the year. She was pregnant and had to pay $10K. I fully expect to pay a bit more each year, but my problem is the massive increases and chances since the implementation of obamacare.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2003644)

The problem is you are trying to make the argument purely political. Ever think that these massive corporations (any sector) have been on a cost cutting and productivity binge since 2008. Because the healthcare system and insurance is unreasonably confusing for most people it's easy for these companies to use Obamacare as a scapegoat for premium increases. They don't even have to say that's why, people just assume which is normally not correct. It's the company shifting cost.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2003644)

The problem is you are trying to make the argument purely political. Ever think that these massive corporations (any sector) have been on a cost cutting and productivity binge since 2008. Because the healthcare system and insurance is unreasonably confusing for most people it's easy for these companies to use Obamacare as a scapegoat for premium increases. They don't even have to say that's why, people just assume which is normally not correct. It's the company shifting cost.

Originally Posted by Jetdriver7 (Post 2003757)

It's political b/c the gov't is fining the companies for offering plans that are "too good" in the government's eyes i.e. cadillac plan. People who's contracts continue into 2018 are seeing affects quicker b/c there isn't any negotiating in contracts before hand. Learn what the affordable health care act does regarding fines and you'll know why it's political.

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 2001306)

This is what happens when people want the government involved. Paying a lot more for the same or worse coverage. Rates have always gone up, but nothing like they have lately.

Several states have had large health care insurers collapse or get de certified putting hundreds of thousands out of insurance completely.

Thanks a lot to the fine folks who thought this was a good idea.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2001447)

You should probably check the last sentence of your first paragraph. If anyone's premiums are going up substantially it's a weakness in that groups collective bargaining agreement and it's just the company shifting more of the cost onto the employees even if the overall rates didn't increase that much or at all. At spirit the company can raise our premiums a max of 7% a year. Guess what they go up 7% each year and plan premiums overall (company+employee) have not increased that much

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2003760)

Thank the communist egomaniac in the white house for making oh so "affordable."

Originally Posted by Cruise (Post 2003825)

Wow, the ignorance runs deep in this one! :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Jetdriver7 (Post 2004234)

Care to enlighten us?