Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2004281)

No they are not. No one is getting taxed on their "Cadillac" plan this year or next, or even the one after that. The rate increase has nothing to do with that.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2004295)

While those costs do add up, the very high costs are coming from long term illnesses where doctors pretty much have a duty to "throw everything at you".

From the beginning, when lots of unneeded tests are done to cover their negligent lawsuit check box, to the end where you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to extend life by several months (at best) in a painful state of existence. Steve Jobs succumbed and how much do you think he spent on his medical care? My guess is in the tens of millions, at that point you have nothing to lose, and you can't take it with you.

Technology has reduced the costs of almost every sector except the healthcare system in the US.

We need more of a "take charge" type mentality to healthcare where people shop around to truly reduce costs, it's just impossible to do, really. It's not like you can call around for a kidney transplant like you do a set of tires.

The overall increases over the past 16 years have been mostly linear (not exponential) and the ACA "Obama Care" act has done little to increase premiums on a % basis. BUT, everyone is quick to blame those of the other party who have actually done something that has helped Americans.


http://www.ohio.com/polopoly_fs/1.33...nsure12web.jpg

Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2004590)

I think the frustration comes from all the lies during the sales job. Lower family premiums by avg of $2500. Remember that? There really is absolutely NO truth in politics anymore. All politicians lie through their teeth to get what they want.

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2004295)

While those costs do add up, the very high costs are coming from long term illnesses where doctors pretty much have a duty to "throw everything at you".

From the beginning, when lots of unneeded tests are done to cover their negligent lawsuit check box, to the end where you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to extend life by several months (at best) in a painful state of existence. Steve Jobs succumbed and how much do you think he spent on his medical care? My guess is in the tens of millions, at that point you have nothing to lose, and you can't take it with you.

Technology has reduced the costs of almost every sector except the healthcare system in the US.

We need more of a "take charge" type mentality to healthcare where people shop around to truly reduce costs, it's just impossible to do, really. It's not like you can call around for a kidney transplant like you do a set of tires.

The overall increases over the past 16 years have been mostly linear (not exponential) and the ACA "Obama Care" act has done little to increase premiums on a % basis. BUT, everyone is quick to blame those of the other party who have actually done something that has helped Americans.


http://www.ohio.com/polopoly_fs/1.33...nsure12web.jpg

Originally Posted by nfo99 (Post 2004749)

http://www.downeyobesityreport.com/w...ure-chart1.jpg
Nice Chart

Originally Posted by Name User (Post 2004598)

That claim was based on a single payer system. Unfortunately, republicans wanted this convoluted system we have now that didn't really do anything different than what we had before. To the dems credit we are covering 20-30 million more people with a lot more coverage in general than we had before (ie preexisting condition clauses), so that is nice.

It was done this way because Obama wanted to compromise. Look where that gets you.

Originally Posted by Jetdriver7 (Post 2004869)

There were not any 20-30 million insured. They barely made 7 and that's assuming that was accurate.