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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2028113)
What I have learned after reading this thread is about 85% of the posters are full of crap. Most of you would have to be averaging well over 100 hrs of pay per month to come anywhere close to the numbers posted here. It's not hard to look at the pay rates and do simple calculations. I'm not say that a FEW very hard working guys that really work the system can achieve something close to this, but up it's not the case for an average major airline pilot. Sheesh.... Some of you are posting numbers that would equal twice your monthly guarantee. Does it make people feel better to embellish their earnings? I don't get it.
I've averaged about 14 - 15 days off in a non vacation month and 17 to 19 off in a vacation month. I usually fly an extra 15 hours in a vacation month for extra pay. I haven't taken more then one week of vacation in any month, so it's an even split of a vacation to non vacation months. I probably work slightly above the average but lots of guys at United working harder then me. I've flown with quite a few FO's that make as much or more then me. |
Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
(Post 2028262)
I'm in my 28th year at United 757/767 CA. I will have flown 750 hard hours this year but will get paid for about 1220 hours. 6 weeks vacation, trip and duty rigs and lots of soft time pay. Plenty of 5 day trips to Europe - two legs flying for 16 hard hours getting paid for over 26 hours. Also minimum five hours pay for day. Flew lots of trips that get back just after midnight (local non commuter) and make an extra 5 hours pay.
I've averaged about 14 - 15 days off in a non vacation month and 17 to 19 off in a vacation month. I usually fly an extra 15 hours in a vacation month for extra pay. I haven't taken more then one week of vacation in any month, so it's an even split of a vacation to non vacation months. I probably work slightly above the average but lots of guys at United working harder then me. I've flown with quite a few FO's that make as much or more then me. So basically you've made well over 350k this year?? |
Originally Posted by rightside02
(Post 2028227)
I can't tell if this is even a serious statement / question.
My rate today as a 3rd year/ 4 months of 2nd year at JB is roughly 100 an hour . And I ll make 135,000.00 plus this year. (Not adding 401k contribution) Come up with the actual numbers when I get them. But yes I credit and what i fly are two vastly different things . Soft pay rules are what makes or breaks the hourly rate. Even tho guys dog the rates at Spirit and sub standard contracts all the time . They have soft pay rules that allow you to manipulate the system, I would say most airlines have them, some better than others. Of course seniority is also everything as well. The junior guys at most airlines don't have the ability to get them selves into a soft pay situation . I'm at the wrong legacy airline then. I'm on 2nd year pay with a higher hourly rate than you and I will make no where near $135k. Nor will I next year with a rate of $135/hr. I must be the only one who is missing out. |
Originally Posted by feltf4
(Post 2028303)
So basically you've made well over 350k this year??
Yea, I call BS. |
Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2028349)
I'm at the wrong legacy airline then. I'm on 2nd year pay with a higher hourly rate than you and I will make no where near $135k. Nor will I next year with a rate of $135/hr. I must be the only one who is missing out.
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My point is that while some of you might make well over 100 hours of credit per month, you are outliers. Sure we all have a buddy that really works the system, but 85% of pilots are flying there line with little in the way of extra pay. I would think 85 hours/month of credit is a little more realistic for most. If it were so easy for JB guys to make so much money, then why are they coming to AA in droves. Serious question.
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Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2028349)
I'm at the wrong legacy airline then. I'm on 2nd year pay with a higher hourly rate than you and I will make no where near $135k. Nor will I next year with a rate of $135/hr. I must be the only one who is missing out.
And the point of all the other questions like how much you work and what your seniority is. Seniority gets you more productivity and access to soft time and the ability to push your credit up. Please don't complain. Learn to work your system better for whatever you want to gain be it more time off or more money or whatever. |
Originally Posted by AUpilot1
(Post 2028362)
My point is that while some of you might make well over 100 hours of credit per month, you are outliers. Sure we all have a buddy that really works the system, but 85% of pilots are flying there line with little in the way of extra pay. I would think 85 hours/month of credit is a little more realistic for most. If it were so easy for JB guys to make so much money, then why are they coming to AA in droves. Serious question.
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Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
(Post 2028364)
That's kinda the point of this thread.
And the point of all the other questions like how much you work and what your seniority is. Seniority gets you more productivity and access to soft time and the ability to push your credit up. Please don't complain. Learn to work your system better for whatever you want to gain be it more time off or more money or whatever. No, I get it, but SOME of you, not all are stretching the truth a little. I'll never believe that these pilots are consistently averaging north of 150 hours of credit for an entire 12 months and only flying 300 hours. If they are, there is more to the story and something is being left out. |
Originally Posted by Tom a Hawk
(Post 2028371)
Widebodies, more bases besides the northeast, a bet on a buttload of retirements, etc. If you're flexible it's very easy to push your credit up at JB but it takes work like anything else.
They should stay at JB then. They will never credit that much at AA. |
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