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Old 12-11-2015, 11:34 AM
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Does anyone know if there's a thread already started for a true comparison of individual results for pay versus quality of life. With many groups in negotiations right now I'm curious to see what people's results are based on their experience with their companies contract. I'm not just looking for the numbers from the contract but how it applied to them throughout the year. Thanks for any help.
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Old 12-11-2015, 02:12 PM
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I work for a yellow bus company and I keep hearing from guys about how great our quality of life is and how much better we have it than some of the legacy carriers for days off and schedule. Supposedly that is making up for our dismal pay rates compared to others. I have talked to friends that work for Alaska, Delta, and American and find that some of the time I do get more days off than they do but often my pay lags considerably. I'm just curious to find out from you guys what your real life numbers look like to make an accurate comparison of pay vs quality of life so that we can get a contract we deserve and not be an anchor for the rest of the industry comparison. I'm hoping these number can help everyone take a more realistic look at the number instead of just assumptions. Here are my numbers to make the comparison I am looking for:
1) Airline employer
2) Equipment
3) Relative Seniority for base biding (where you averaged your bid throughout the year)
4) How many days you worked
5) How many overnights you had
6) How many hours you blocked
7) Expected gross income

My numbers may be slightly skewed due to one month of only 6 days working and another with only 3 days of work but here's what I have.
1) NK
2) A320
3) ~40% in base 2/3rd year FO rates
4) 153 days worked
5) 87 overnights
6) ~600 block hours
7) 89k
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:18 PM
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This usually comes up in January every year and some people like the info, others hate it and call it a D measuring contest. So I'll add to it! Numbers include PS and Perdiem.

JB 190 Fo
50% in base, 2nd year rates
About 140 days worked through aggressive use of vacation time.
Plenty of overnights, I commute.
580 block
90k
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:27 PM
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I think that the most objective way to measure this is by taking the sum total of all compensation (wages, bonuses, profit sharing, company retirement contributions, matching funds, company paid portion of insurance premiums, and per diem) and dividing it by total block hours actually flown. Compare that rate with others in similar status, category and longevity.
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DELTA

Worked 2 days

$487,000
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy View Post
DELTA

Worked 2 days

$487,000
Greenslip with conflict?
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chimpy View Post
DELTA

Worked 2 days

$487,000
Can't wait to see how much better that number is when you stop flying the MD-88.
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Old 12-11-2015, 05:37 PM
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Nippon Cargo Airlines
747-8F
Least senior in Domicile (2nd year pay)
~155
~120
~600 hours (not including many DHs)
$123,400 (Not including company contributed 401k of 14%)
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:14 PM
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) Airline employer-Regional Hell
2) Equipment-E170
3) Relative Seniority for base biding (where you averaged your bid throughout the year)-70th%
4) How many days you worked-210
5) How many overnights you had-170
6) How many hours you blocked-860
7) Expected gross income-$112,000
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Virgin America Fo
LAX-reserve, bottom of the list
Year 2 and 3 pay scale
500hrs
86k
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