ShyGuy

VX
A320/319
FO 3rd yr transition 4th yr FO pay
About 58%ish in base
Work about 15/16 days per month, off 15/16 days
About 8-9 overnights per month
918 block hrs for the year
$126k estimate. End of Nov stands $116.2k

January is a weird one. Got 15 days of work, 15 days off, which breaks down as 78 hrs block plus one vacation week (did not sell, have actual vacation week), total credit 109:49. It's a 12k month which is my first ever as FO.

sandlapper223

So Pike is a Spirit 2nd-year FO on 3rd-year pay, and per Pike:
He worked 153 days so far with 600 hrs block.
His gross is $89,000
Per block hour flown, he is paid $148/hr.
Per day worked he is paid $582

Shy is a Virgin 3rd-year FO on 4th-year pay and per Shy:
He worked 165-176 days so far with 918 block
His gross is $116,200
Per block hour flown, he is paid $127/hr.
Per day worked he is paid between $660-$704

Interesting comparison. Pike works fewer days, gets more money per Block hour flown, but gets less money per day of work (if Shy's 15-16 days off is accurate). Pike is one year less longevity pay wise. Hmmmm.

M20EPilot

Looks like a reserve vs. line comparison to me.

Thunder1

[QUOTE=PikeAV8R;2026010]I work for a yellow bus company and I keep hearing from guys about how great our quality of life is and how much better we have it than some of the legacy carriers for days off and schedule. Supposedly that is making up for our dismal pay rates compared to others. I have talked to friends that work for Alaska, Delta, and American and find that some of the time I do get more days off than they do but often my pay lags considerably. I'm just curious to find out from you guys what your real life numbers look like to make an accurate comparison of pay vs quality of life so that we can get a contract we deserve and not be an anchor for the rest of the industry comparison. I'm hoping these number can help everyone take a more realistic look at the number instead of just assumptions. Here are my numbers to make the comparison I am looking for:
1) Airline employer
2) Equipment
3) Relative Seniority for base biding (where you averaged your bid throughout the year)
4) How many days you worked
5) How many overnights you had
6) How many hours you blocked
7) Expected gross income


1) Southwest - 4th year F/O
2) The only choice - 737
3) 73% domicile seniority
4) 179 days worked
5) 102 nights in a hotel
6) 821 hours -- ouch that hurts
7) Gross Income (Pay, 401K match, Profit sharing, Per Diem) = $225,540
(only assumption is 15% PS which we will find out early 2016; most think it will be AT LEAST 15% this year)

Great money for a 4th year F/O but I definitely flew the hours to earn it. Didn't even realize I flew so many this year until I pulled up the electronic logbook that SWAPA keeps on the union website. 2 kids in college -- it ain't cheap!

beancounter

1. AA
2. A320
3. 10% bottom, 11 yr FO
4. 147 days worked
5. NA
6. 780 hrs
7. $153k, not including 16% contribution or per diem

Need to get some Delta or Alaska guys to post. The guys I know over there are getting more hours of pay and more time off than I am.

pete2800

Excellent thread. It's good to see real-world numbers.

Papoo

CX
Type - 777
Seniority - 20% from bottom (2yr FO, 5 years in company)
Days worked ~ 170
Nights away ~ 130
Hours ~ 900 (ouch)
Cash ~ $230,000 (inc 13th month, per diem, 15.5% retirement contribution, about 25k overtime)

ShyGuy

Sorry, the 918 hrs is projected year end, whereas the 116.2k is as of November 30th paycheck. So 918 hrs includes the whole month of December flying and the 116.2k does not include the whole month of December pay. Dec was a 91 hr block month for 15 days of work and 16 days off. So the total block end of November is 837 hrs and total 116.2k.

Besides, I'm not sure if the comparison you are making (in terms of pay per block hour) makes sense? I could have bid a reserve schedule, maybe flown 300 hrs for the year, and then come up with an arbitrarily high "pay per block hour flown" figure based on gross earning. Theoretically if one only flies 10 hrs in a year on reserve, and grossed $100k, then I guess you could say this guy made $10,000/hr per block hour flown. But I don't see how that's really helpful in drawing a comparison.

And per Pike's own admittance, "My numbers may be slightly skewed due to one month of only 6 days working and another with only 3 days of work but here's what I have."

You really can't make the comparison between Pike and I due to varying circumstances. I didn't have any time off as unplanned absence. No sick, fatigue, FMLA, etc. It sounds like he had two months of at least some sort of leave. So yes, these numbers are skewed.

My hourly rate is $104/hr and I try and credit 90 hrs per month. If there is no soft time (vacation, training, personal days) then I end up blocking 90 for that month. If there is soft time, then my block is lower so that block + soft time still gets me around 90.
Of course, all of this is by choice. I could leave the min bid to be 70-75 hrs and get 18-19 (sometimes 20) days off per month.


Edit: numbers do not include any 401k numbers. That's separate "earnings" IMO.

Chimpy

ESPIRIT
A-320
Senior F/O (top 10%)
3rd year pay $77.xx
Blocked 750
Gross $106,800 (not including 401k match)
Not sure of nights away but bid mostly day trips.

Mind boggling that SWA guys with around same years of service makes TWICE as Much! Time to raise the bar!

ShyGuy

So easy, a chimp could do it