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02-04-2007, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Skygirl
Yeah, what he said. Very interesting read. Maybe after reading that, a certain segment of the pilot population will settle down, stop the insults and name-calling over the age 60 rule, and learn to have a little respect for one another.
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02-04-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by So Wonwee
"Joe Marquardt, 50, left a 17-year career at Northwest Airlines last year for Emirates, as the Minnesota-based carrier phased out the DC-9 jets he flew.
He already had lost one-third of his salary in pay cuts, Marquardt said, and he faced a demotion to a smaller plane, which would mean another pay reduction.
"It got to the point where we couldn't keep the house," Marquardt said."
Seriously, 17 years at NWA and you couldn't pay off your house before then? If anyone else is in this situation, buy the Rich Dad Poor Dad book series and consult a financial advisor.
He already had lost one-third of his salary in pay cuts, Marquardt said, and he faced a demotion to a smaller plane, which would mean another pay reduction.
"It got to the point where we couldn't keep the house," Marquardt said."
Seriously, 17 years at NWA and you couldn't pay off your house before then? If anyone else is in this situation, buy the Rich Dad Poor Dad book series and consult a financial advisor.
Success in life and all those things is certainly not guaranteed.
Then again, maybe the individual in the story is simply not as smart as some claim to be.
What the story should tell you is how significantly things have changed in the industry for this to occur. There's the real news.
Perhaps you can offer something positive to this thought?
02-04-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by So Wonwee
Seriously, 17 years at NWA and you couldn't pay off your house before then? If anyone else is in this situation, buy the Rich Dad Poor Dad book series and consult a financial advisor.
I know a guy here at CAL who flys his A$$ off and makes 200K a year but doesn't have a damn thing because he donates almost all of his off time and his money volunteering and saving cats. I think he has 20 acres he inherited and keeps about 200 rescued cats at any given time. Why don't you explain to us how big of a loser he is.
Go count your money if that is all that matters to you.
02-05-2007, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by John Pennekamp
When did NWA phase out the DC-9? I just saw one the other day. I'm sure they meant DC-10. Not that accuracy in aviation reporting means anything to the press.
Not phased out, but not replacing them with anything other than CRJ-900 and EMB 175s. About 50% less DC-9s then there were 10 years ago....slowing going away. IMHO one more sideletter where we give the company permission to put full 86 seats in the CRJ-900 (vice scoped 76 seats) and we'll be on our way to dropping all DC-9s.
02-06-2007, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
But to answer the question it blows. part of the problem is that most of the pilots are consessionary. if managment asks for more money from them they will actually have a vote and would give up more. they are afraid and it will never change. They have a lame thing going on now called Fix it Now (FIN) road shows and meet and greets by aLPA to show what the dues are going towards. Basically aLPA is afraid of another union coming on the property and they have to show they are doing something.
Clearly management is in the driver's seat and will be for quite some time unless some real union leadership steps forward. Shame.
The FIN program made me laugh when I saw it.
02-06-2007, 06:21 AM
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It is not as bad as Frontseat makes it out to be. He does not work here. Our big iron captains make 182 per hour, if he is making that on a gulfstream, more power to him. My United Airlines experience is this....I bid reserve on the 767. I have flown an average of 37 hours per month for the last 3 months, although I did bust my arse during the summer. We still have work rules on the 757/767/777/747. Basically no work rules on the 737/A320 other than "look back" which will give you 5 hrs per day if you turn a wheel. The wages of course are depressing. I made 169 per hour as a 5 yr 777 FO back in the day (25% more than 5 yr FEDEX widebody FOs make today)!! Now I make 101 per hour as a 10 yr 767 FO....pathetic I know....But I have 10 years invested, I can hold 737 captain (25% raise) if/when I choose to bid it, and it is still fun. So I will stick it out and hope for a better contract down the road. BTW, 24 hour layovers in Hawaii do not blow!!! 
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02-06-2007, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FrontSeat
you are conflicting yourself with the wages..are they not bad or are they depressing
I say depressing for how much responsibility you have.
Did you vote yes for the last contract? I bet you say no. you can't find anyone who voted no on the property. Although it passed by the majority.
I say depressing for how much responsibility you have.
Did you vote yes for the last contract? I bet you say no. you can't find anyone who voted no on the property. Although it passed by the majority.
Last edited by jsled; 02-06-2007 at 07:50 AM.
02-12-2007, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
Not conflicting, I never said 182 per hour for a widebody captain was not bad. I just don't know many corporate jet guys making 175K per year. Good for you. The wages are depressing, especially compared to what we made before. I mean talk about a lifestyle change!! I voted yes on the contract. And I believe the HUGE savings to the company contributed greatly to the survival of UAL. Not coolaide drinking here, just being realistic. People talk as if there was some big choice to be made. Well, look at Delta. Look at NWA. They did the same thing. Bankruptcy is a *****.
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