You are correct sir. They accept recall and immediately go on LOA.

 

Maybe it is a good thing this rule change will take 18-24 months or more. That will be enough time to bring back the furloughees as the age 60 guys retire.

 

Maybe he had a few problems in his life that took a toll on his financial situation. Sick family members, maybe bad financial advice from "qualified financial advisors" or simply poor planning and/or judgement on his part.

Success in life and all those things is certainly not guaranteed.

Then again, maybe the individual in the story is simply not as smart as some claim to be.

What the story should tell you is how significantly things have changed in the industry for this to occur. There's the real news.

Perhaps you can offer something positive to this thought?

 

Who's to say he didn't pay off his first house. Sold it then took that money and bought a much nicer house after paying off his 15 year mortgage 2 years earlier.Open ended comments like yours show how "tunnel visioned" many are in this world.

I know a guy here at CAL who flys his A$$ off and makes 200K a year but doesn't have a damn thing because he donates almost all of his off time and his money volunteering and saving cats. I think he has 20 acres he inherited and keeps about 200 rescued cats at any given time. Why don't you explain to us how big of a loser he is.

Go count your money if that is all that matters to you.

 

Not phased out, but not replacing them with anything other than CRJ-900 and EMB 175s. About 50% less DC-9s then there were 10 years ago....slowing going away. IMHO one more sideletter where we give the company permission to put full 86 seats in the CRJ-900 (vice scoped 76 seats) and we'll be on our way to dropping all DC-9s.

 

So is UAL a good company to fly for?

 

Well, if you never want to be home and be treated like a slave then its good. Oh did I mention that many corporate pilots make more then their captains. I am on bypass from them now and make as much as a 747 captain and I only fly 2 pax around all the time.

But to answer the question it blows. part of the problem is that most of the pilots are consessionary. if managment asks for more money from them they will actually have a vote and would give up more. they are afraid and it will never change. They have a lame thing going on now called Fix it Now (FIN) road shows and meet and greets by aLPA to show what the dues are going towards. Basically aLPA is afraid of another union coming on the property and they have to show they are doing something.

You will never see and underground or grass roots effort by the pilots to take action to fix it now. We all know it can be done in a matter of 2 to 3 days with UNIONISM. But with all the pilots accepting junior/senior manning its a screwed up deal. Its like trying to get peace in the middle east.

your best bet.....get a G5 or Global type and start earning tomorrow what it will take a career to make at uNITED.

or go for UPS/FEDEX etc. companies that are in business to sell their product instead of trying to cheapen it and merge it.

good luck

 

I see things haven't changed with the pilots - still picking up time and trips for themselves. Also, they haven't had any alpa leadership with real backbone in quite some time.

Clearly management is in the driver's seat and will be for quite some time unless some real union leadership steps forward. Shame.

The FIN program made me laugh when I saw it.

 

It is not as bad as Frontseat makes it out to be. He does not work here. Our big iron captains make 182 per hour, if he is making that on a gulfstream, more power to him. My United Airlines experience is this....I bid reserve on the 767. I have flown an average of 37 hours per month for the last 3 months, although I did bust my arse during the summer. We still have work rules on the 757/767/777/747. Basically no work rules on the 737/A320 other than "look back" which will give you 5 hrs per day if you turn a wheel. The wages of course are depressing. I made 169 per hour as a 5 yr 777 FO back in the day (25% more than 5 yr FEDEX widebody FOs make today)!! Now I make 101 per hour as a 10 yr 767 FO....pathetic I know....But I have 10 years invested, I can hold 737 captain (25% raise) if/when I choose to bid it, and it is still fun. So I will stick it out and hope for a better contract down the road. BTW, 24 hour layovers in Hawaii do not blow!!!

 

Although I do not work there now I did for over 4 years. I have many friends there now that say it blows you just have to go on the UAL aLPA forum to prove it....and making 182 an hour on for your senior captains is bad. times that by 65/70 hours as a reserve and you end up with what I get paid to fly a GV. difference is I eat better and have better hotels and lifestyle and the boss wants me to be happy. How is uncle tilty these days.

now for the hawaii comment you made. hawaii is nice but I did it on the 767 for a while and unless your senior you will get the crap lines that have you there in honolulu at that crappy property that united owns. the other islands are better but for most pilots who go there. you are looking at a red eye back to the mainland after being up all day. I have driven home after landing LAX and was probably more dangerous then a drunk. its not right to do but we all do it. Ah how I do not miss the 3 day hawaii trips.