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Krist. This thread SUCKS.
Has even a SINGLE person contributed to OP?
What a waste of five pages.

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Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2078805)

Krist. This thread SUCKS.
Has even a SINGLE person contributed to OP?
What a waste of five pages.

This is APC, go somewhere else if you want answers!

As a military pilot, I have tremendous respect for pilots who go the all civ route. They pay out the nose to get a job making slave wages so they might some day get a chance for a job at a major. And from looking at the hiring threads, it seems like it's harder to differentiate yourself as an all civ guy.

On the other hand, my kids have (and are still) growing up without me because when I finally leave the Navy, I'll have been overseas for the last 5 years of my Navy career. I'm not a fighter guy, but add in all the sims, pilot training, safety officer school, PQS, random tests and boards, not to mention getting the FAA quals... And I think my total time devoted to "pilot stuff" isn't quite reflected in my TT. Plus, it's an uphill battle to leave the Navy current and qualified... Lady Luck has been smiling on me in that regard.

Point is, the process of getting to a major sucks for everybody. It serves no purpose to claim one side, civ vs mil, has it any better or worse than the other. We're all paying dues. Best of luck, gringo. Hope all works out well for you.

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Originally Posted by VegassBus (Post 2078796)

Lol. Like I said, an airplane is an airplane

Yeahbut...a mad dog is a...

MAD DOG! :eek:

(and that dog will bite you!):D

i have been from one side of this globe to the other. I have seen good mil guys( navy seem to have the best stories) and I have seen good civ guys. I have seen clowns from both sides of the street. The mil guys do get a break. To say you don't is dishonest. This fellow will not put up with that BS.
To say the managers are making the bet choices is laughable. I have lived through some very bad times because of the choices of these enlightened managers. They know as much as **** and shinola.
The system is just the system. As a civ only guy. I figured it out and made my bones. But you mil guys. Please don't tell me that you don't get a small break. Because as I said, your being dishonest.
Aloha
The Hunter of Bever

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Originally Posted by Beaver Hunter (Post 2078874)

The mil guys do get a break. To say you don't is dishonest. This fellow will not put up with that BS.... But you mil guys. Please don't tell me that you don't get a small break. Because as I said, your being dishonest.
Aloha
The Hunter of Bever

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Beaver Hunter (Post 2078874)

We get a HUGE advantage when it comes to hiring. Unparalleled. That is the one & only reason I spent 20 years in the Navy....so I'd have a leg up on all the civilian guys. And if you believe that I've got a bridge in Alaska to sell ya.

I know we have an advantage. Some things in life just are not fair. Like you said, you play the cards you're dealt in life, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by DrunkIrishman (Post 2078759)

There are 25,000 active duty mil pilots vs 18,000 regional pilots. Maybe it should be 60/40 mil vs civ hiring. Just sayin.

There are also a lot of cargo, corporate, expat, etc pilots trying for the legacy jobs too. Also, those 25,000 active duty aren't all applying and retiring right now, some have 10 years left before they have the option to transition. I wonder if the 25k number includes drone pilots...

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Originally Posted by gringo (Post 2078430)

Nobody said military are guaranteed a job, but the indisputable fact remains that they DO get invited to interview far faster than a regular non-mil candidate, and they DO get preferential treatment during the entire process over a regular civilian.

Just read the "Who's Been Hired" thread. Orleans any of the countless Facebook groups. Countless mil pilots getting a shot at the majors with only a few thousand hours, while many more equally qualified, if not more so, regular civilian pilots get ignored. Thousands of hours of PIC, widebody, passenger ops, etc etc totally ignored while any F16 pilot with low 4 digit flight time gets an interview.

This gist of this thread is who's getting hired at what legacy and who's not in a "special preferences" group.

American has made it very difficult for non-Mil, non-flow pilots to get on board. Not impossible, but incredibly unlikely.

Delta, a little bit easier, but still very difficult to get that phone call.

But for guys like me, veteran (not a pilot) brought up through the civilian ranks working through various regionals, ACMI trash haulers, LCC's and ULCC's, the ONLY Legacy that's giving us "off the street" guys a fair shot seems to be United.

100% correct. It is what it is.. We all know it.