Is this what it's come to?
04-09-2016 | 08:18 PM
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From: systems analyst
Analyze the situation
Take the appropriate action
Land as soon as conditions permit
Controls rls
Throttle idle
Flcs reset
Mpo switch ovrd and hold
Stick cycle in phase
Booya! Still got it.
I would argue there are no real bold face except maneuvers in the 7er. Everything can be talked about, confirmed, and slowly implemented.
Take the appropriate action
Land as soon as conditions permit
Controls rls
Throttle idle
Flcs reset
Mpo switch ovrd and hold
Stick cycle in phase
Booya! Still got it.
I would argue there are no real bold face except maneuvers in the 7er. Everything can be talked about, confirmed, and slowly implemented.
04-10-2016 | 03:12 AM
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From: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Back to the original thread , 1987, 520hrs TT , 12 multi, into a DC-3 freighter, but it was a 2 year apprenticeship till captain, all night, all weather, with seasoned captains, I had my type ride and ATP 2 years later at 1800 hours TT, LOVE, LOVE, the 3.
04-10-2016 | 05:16 AM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Was it not obvious that my statement about training was sarcasm?
None the less, the point of the comment was that pilots aren't born with aircraft- and sector-specific skills and knowledge. All of us only knows what we've been trained and what we've experienced in our own small sliver of the aviation world.
Many pilots -- including both 121 and military aviators -- don't have the understanding that in other sectors of aviation in which they've not participated, there are other standards/methods of flying that are not the same as what they're accustomed to. More importantly, they don't understand that those differing methods are "separate but equal" in that what is quite appropriate in one sector may not be appropriate in another. The other methods are not any better or worse, just different.
So, while here on a forum where the topic is airline flying, it is all fun to bust on a military fighter guy who doesn't know the local customs. The opposite is just as true; in my time teaching both UPT and Fighter Lead-In, it was hilarious/ridiculous to see guys coming from airline experience and not understanding that the "new" methods they were taught in military ground school were, in fact, supposed to supplant whatever techniques/procedures they'd used in the airlines. Works both ways, for better or worse. The same is true for guys coming out of ag flying, or bush flying or corporate-to-airlines, or what have you.
A smart aviator knows that there are differences, and learns/performs in accordance with the local customs, even if they differ substantially from what they're used to.
None the less, the point of the comment was that pilots aren't born with aircraft- and sector-specific skills and knowledge. All of us only knows what we've been trained and what we've experienced in our own small sliver of the aviation world.
Many pilots -- including both 121 and military aviators -- don't have the understanding that in other sectors of aviation in which they've not participated, there are other standards/methods of flying that are not the same as what they're accustomed to. More importantly, they don't understand that those differing methods are "separate but equal" in that what is quite appropriate in one sector may not be appropriate in another. The other methods are not any better or worse, just different.
So, while here on a forum where the topic is airline flying, it is all fun to bust on a military fighter guy who doesn't know the local customs. The opposite is just as true; in my time teaching both UPT and Fighter Lead-In, it was hilarious/ridiculous to see guys coming from airline experience and not understanding that the "new" methods they were taught in military ground school were, in fact, supposed to supplant whatever techniques/procedures they'd used in the airlines. Works both ways, for better or worse. The same is true for guys coming out of ag flying, or bush flying or corporate-to-airlines, or what have you.
A smart aviator knows that there are differences, and learns/performs in accordance with the local customs, even if they differ substantially from what they're used to.
During Basic Indoc., the instructor(s) introduce and instill the importance of company's culture. This is where new hires start to embrace said culture.
At the end of the day, memories and bravado maneuvers are for the bar, not for the classroom.
04-10-2016 | 05:40 AM
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
CFI, then CFII, then Bonanzas flying bank checks at night, then various light followed by heavy twins, then turbo-prop cargo before going 121.
A product of the....
Not all of us got to play Maverick and fly on the gov't dime, with my respects to those who did.
A product of the....
Not all of us got to play Maverick and fly on the gov't dime, with my respects to those who did.
04-10-2016 | 06:02 AM
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Besides being a line trainer, some of my happiest days in aviation were delivering crop dusters to S.A. Oh wait... There were Stearmans, Wacos, Pitts's, Beech 18s, Christain Eagles, Cubs, Swifts, with nothing more than a Rand McNally map in my lap. How many remember wearing battery heated gloves and socks during the winters? I would never trade a Tomcat for a real plane like an open cockpit Stearman.
04-10-2016 | 07:15 AM
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Here’s the Major Crisis the Airlines Are Facing Now
(R)egional airlines now have a big problem: many can’t find qualified people to fly their planes.
The new hourly requirements made it more expensive to become a pilot in the first place. Prospective pilots pay roughly $150,000 for the requisite training, hours and college degree. Entry-level salaries at regional carriers, a popular jumping-off point for new pilots, hover around $20,000. That difficult financial calculus is increasingly keeping would-be pilots out of the cockpit.
“At present, the problem of pilot supply is endemic throughout the regional airline industry,” said a spokesperson for the RAA in an emailed statement. “While base salaries for new hires have increased steadily (the current unweighted first year, first officer pay average has increased to $27,350) and many airlines have even offered signing and retention bonuses to attract and retain pilots, the number of qualifiedapplicants for jobs at regional airlines remains far below demand.
...the aviation industry and regulators have started contemplating a more radical idea. There is mounting evidence that it’s time to reconsider whether a pilot’s total hours is representative of their skill level. One recent study called that link into serious question.
“Hours can reflect experience, but they’re not a good yardstick to measure pilots’ abilities,” says Dr. Dan Macchiarella, dean of the College of Aviation Studies at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. “Somebody could go tow banners for 10,000 hours and be less prepared to be a first officer than a graduate that came out of a program like ours that perhaps had 500 or 750 hours.”
http://time.com/4257940/pilot-shortage/
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04-10-2016 | 12:35 PM
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From: Left seat of a Jet
The airlines and politicians are giving the traveling public what they're yearning for in which is a US transportation system without a regional airline system. I say give the people what they want!
04-11-2016 | 08:01 AM
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Besides being a line trainer, some of my happiest days in aviation were delivering crop dusters to S.A. Oh wait... There were Stearmans, Wacos, Pitts's, Beech 18s, Christain Eagles, Cubs, Swifts, with nothing more than a Rand McNally map in my lap. How many remember wearing battery heated gloves and socks during the winters? I would never trade a Tomcat for a real plane like an open cockpit Stearman.
04-11-2016 | 08:07 AM
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Ummmmmmmm.....yeeeah.
How much do you know about the Tomcat's AC?
I'm gonna go ahead and say very little, so it probably wasn't a choice you had to make.
