Come on, man...you're killing me. It's Millennial, MILLENNIAL.

Otherwise, I agree with your assessment. Lapses in integrity can, in no way, be associated with a particular generation. Each has their own issues.

 

Lack of spelling skills may actually be a millennial trait. Once spell check hit it was over.

 

Haha...outstanding.

 

Kind of all over the place, but I tried to follow... For what it's worth, my only recommendation was a retired line pilot. The only gouge that was available was 6 years old at the least since we were the first group post 2001.

Our sim checks are every 9 months (current AQP industry standard), and I'm one of the guys that gives them... so not too worried about that!

Oh, and I'm a millennial. We'll see how things go, as that's how this career is... we can compare notes when I retire 8 mergers later...

 

Some people are scum, but the apps are partially to blame.

"Have you ever failed a checkride?" Okay, if a 141 stagecheck is a checkride then...

"Have you ever been a check airmen?" Is a 141 stagecheck instructor a check airmen? Is there a difference between a check airman and a check airmen or is one just plural? Lawyers?

I'd say certain stagechecks count as checkrides and not others. Yet a stagecheck instructor is not a check airmen because check airmen and check instructor are defined in 121 and 141 respectively. A check instructor is an airman though, so maybe he is a check airmen. Really, I don't know. That's just my **** legal opinion. Is someone with a different legal opinion a liar? I knew a regional FO who was hired at Delta after scoring himself as a check airmen on airlineapps.com because he gave stagechecks at 141 school. But a clerk did read over it and ask him about it during the interview so he's in. He got the seniority number years before his buds because of, IMHO, his ignorance, Delta's error, and the way airlines score apps almost entirely on structured data with very limited human oversight.

When the applicant knows a human is reading the application he can simply write what he did and allow the human to judge. But when it's a computer and a checkbox, he's doing himself a huge disservice to put his app at the bottom of the stack when others game it better.

"List the schools you've attended." One day workshop at the local gliderport on thermalling? Sure! Check! One more line and one more point on the app. Might as well throw my recurrent classes in there too.

 

the last big crash in this country was because the captain decided to lie on his application and got hired. had he disclosed his full background he probably wouldnt have gotten a job offer at that carrier.

 

Did he go to a job fair?

 

FWIW, apps at Delta are scored by humans, not a computer.

 

Albie,

I can't speak to reasons behind GA pilots or pilots of other services, but I think I know exactly where the some of the erosion of integrity comes from in prior Air Force pilots in completing these applications.

Most recognize the ability to fly the aircraft competently and safely is of utmost importance. However, the impossible administrative workloads that the average AF pilot faces just to be able to fly are merely obstacles to be overcome. It wasn't that way when you helped me get a job back in 07, but it sure seems to be now.

I have a lot of AD friends and I occasionally take some AD orders. Here's what I see more than a few guys doing:

They pend literally dozens of hours per year clicking the next arrow on countless CBTs such as "Cultural Sensitivity, Human Rights, Religious Freedom, Suicide Awareness, Sexual Harassment, Active Shooter" to maintain ground training currency.

Professional Military Education has exploded into a ridiculous amount of work. Spend a year CTRL+Fing your way through every quiz and writing BS papers as quickly as possible to be able to have some quality of life at home. All so an O-6 can spend .5 seconds checking that the PME box is checked during your promotion board.

OPRs. Most guys writing their own OPR bullets. It's expected that you turn a minor success into an earth shattering accomplishment through creative writing.

Logging beans. They've got a mountain of proficiency requirements and not enough training flights. Don't go non-current or the problem is compounded. "Fly what you want, log what you need."

I could go on and on, but my point is the AF has been training guys to check boxes and pencil whip requirements just to get in the cockpit for a few years now. Leadership says "Make the paperwork look right, we'll fix the problems later." So guys are spending their evenings finding creative ways to overcome bureaucratic obstacles created by meaningless administrivia requirements. And they're able to rationalize a compromise of their integrity, partially because when you're tired, overworked, underpaid, and screwed over, you just don't care as much.

It doesn't surprise me that there are a few guys, after doing the above for years, sit in front of a computer, fill out similar looking forms and fail to recognize "This isn't the AF anymore, this matters. Integrity matters."

I'm not trying to defend guys who lie and cheat on airline applications, but I can understand what may have caused some of those lapses in judgement.

 

Albie,

I have also noticed a lack of "sense of urgency" with the attitude of "there's lots of jobs out there".
That may be correct but the current job still needs to be done well.

And yes, nothing will get you fired faster than lying.