So... In other words.... God is never mentioned in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Neither is Jesus or Satan FWIW. Oh. Except to specifically limit and ban said god from the public government.

I got it now!

Funny how 83% of the population believes one myth and they feel somehow oppressed. You guys got it in the pledge, on the money, and someone says it in congress. What more do you want?

Talk about victim mentality.

The Constitution does, after all, mention God. Article VII reads, "done in Convention … the Seventeenth Day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America."

After the Constitution was ratified, Congress contemplated whether it should request the President to declare a national day of Thanksgiving to God.

The Congressional resolution was delivered to President Washington who heartily concurred with its request. On Oct 3, 1789, he issued the following proclamation:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and Whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me 'to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanks-giving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.'

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th. day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquillity, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us."

It's more about being honest with our history. A corollary to that thought is being honest about Islamic history.

Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by the US Senate and and signed by President John Adams, 1797.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

Touché, I agree. Let's look at all US History, not just that which supports our views.

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?

Article VI of the Constitution also says that no religious test will be applied to hold office.

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

I do, but as a secular "holiday". Is your implication that if I do it must acknowledge its Christian roots?

You got it, as soon as Christians accept the traditional pagan roots of all their religious ceremonies.

Hey...meant a minute. What DOES a bunny or eggs have to do with Easter, or a tree and Santa have to do with Christmas?!

As others have pointed out: they're all fairy tales anyway. Let's grow up and start thinking and acting like adults.

Sorry for the thread creep. The original intent of this was a discussion of Islam. Islam and Sharia are tied at the hip, they are the same thing. Islam (which literally means "submission") is both a religion and a way of government. I simply look at countries where Islam is the predominant religion and see how they treat non-Muslims and draw my conclusions from that. Look at how Islam spread from its founding with Mohammad.

Not sure what you're getting at. Aside from stating year of our Lord in a date there is no mention of god in the constitution. Period. End of story. Furthermore, these same frames went out of their way to ban religious test for federal office.

An honest look at Christianity shows crimes equally as terrible as ISIS. Difference is there is no video of it and Christians have for the most part moved past that terrible period in their history. Islam is much younger and is now in the same fight Martain Luther waged not so long ago.
To the original point of this thread, we have to be honest about Islam. It does not have as many contradictions as the bible, therefore it's moderates have a hard time pointing to scripture that refutes the fundamentalist and suicide bombers. The Koran does say some awful things.
Again, if you're serious about stopping suicide bombers in the US look for Islamist. 100% of suicide bombers are Islamist.
And we should work towards the goal of having reason and logic in our public policy, not fairy tales and myth.

What about the fanatic Christians, fanatic Jews, etc... Every religion and population has people with hatred in them.

Absolutely correct.

Sadly, most are not and worse, utterly incapable of being so. However, my sadness is offset by humor when I hear them protest otherwise.

Newsflash: Allah is the devil masquerading as God.

Islamophobia is “a word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons.”.

Christopher Hitchens

So why don't we just quit this religion stuff all together and stop the hatred.

Are you seriously quoting an atheist and self-proclaimed Marxist on a thread dealing with religion and the freedom of religion?

Either my sarcastic meter is broken or you're an idiot.

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Pretty much every time folks in this forum discuss topics outside their expertise and understanding.:rolleyes:

Don't confuse your google skills with my law degree

Islam: The Politically Incorrect Truth

154 people killed in 26 attacks between 4/9 and 4/15.

Christians murdered 11,000,000 non-Christians in 13 years during and before World War 2.

How many innocent Muslims were killed in the cross fire after our response to 9/11? I support a Muslim ban to protect them from us, not the other way around. Remember, a very small group of fundamentalists, less than .00000001% of the Muslim population, caused a war that may never end.

And just how exactly are you going to ban a Muslim? What does a Muslim look like?

It's a religion, not a race.

In the name of Christianity, right? :rolleyes: Your eyes got really brown with that post...

How you would identify anyone, through behavioral profiling.

And we waged a full scale global war to stop it. It also wasn't in the name of any God/Allah. Next non-sequitur please...

Source for .00000001% being radical? No one can know for sure, but I've seen estimates more like 1 to 10%.

Don't kid yourself, they hate infidels, and they hate us even more when we act weak like this administration has.

There one difference in this. We could nuke them to oblivion but we don't. They can't destroy us but they would if they could.

We've got to stop collectively assuming they don't mean what they say. ISIS would nuke us every day if they could.

A significant percent of Muslims sympathize with ISIS. Heck, 10% of Malasians like ISIS. So if you're on a plane and you're reading the Koran or speaking to your neighboor in Arabic or Farsi I'm going to be more suspicious of you than I will the Japaneese businessman.

Exactly. Want to read some seriously scary shiite? Check out some of the Old Testament "laws." They're suspiciously close to Sharia Law.

I'm pretty sick of you Chicken Littles and your "The Muslim sky is falling" routine. How about if you all grow a set, deal with the criminals who happen to be Muslim and leave the rest of those folks alone.

I was only referring to the people involved in 9/11.

It's Sharia law that really scares me here, and we will eventually have it if steps aren't taken to ban it.

This administration has droned more people than Bush did. It's stepped up clandestine ops 4 fold that we know of.
Should he do more? Yes. But you guys block him if he does and you block him if he doesn't.
The only weak part about this administration are the obstructionist in congress. Their public disloyalty to America is shameful.

Amen, brother. If it was the other way around, the Faux News people would call it treason.

This. Like was written on thepeoplescube.com, " If you see something, check your privilege. "
Political correctness and Ft. Hood killings - CNN.com

And I qoute from that article, "The Army has been criticized for allowing Hasan to rise in the officer ranks, despite his having made little effort to hide his incendiary beliefs."

What is a phobia? An irritaonal fear. Phobia | Define Phobia at Dictionary.com

So are people being rational or not? Is there a basis for their fear? As I believe Grumble conveyed, I don't know how anyone down range in Iraq/Afghanistan etc. doesn't have a healthy dose of rational paranoia. It keeps you alive. I dont think *most* people are arguing, "If you see something, kick the crap out of them." Again if you see something you have a right and a responsibility to say something.

Let's not kid ourselves that Americans, especially those of us in uniform aren't eyeballed and profiled when we are overseas, or hell, even in our own country try! As if the locals are just happy shmappy and Americans are just all hateful bigots because 'Murica! Give me a break. :rolleyes:

At least people are thinking about freedom and limited government. People are getting online and reading the friggin' the constitution and Federalist Papers.

It's sad you need a godda!n law degree to have a clue what your freedoms are.

Hey Pooty, remember than "red line" in Syria?

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/up...n-laughing.gif

its obvious who the trump voters are in this thread and embarrassing that some of you call yourself airline pilots.

Fixed it for you. No charge.

Says the person using chosen name "ganstamoose.". Let that sink in.
Supporting information needed. "You're all haters because Trump!". Totally solid argument.

hes on his way out and cannot be voted on again. besides he didnt run on a platform of hate and discrimination like trump has.

You have seen what the news media puts forth as aviation "experts", let me tell you, the same goes for their political "experts". Trump is not any of those things you describe.

wasnt referring to what others are saying about him. i meant things he has said himself with his comments on mexicans, women, and muslims as examples. trump has actually started something in which it is actually now okay to say those things like mexicans are rapists, ban all muslims, etc.

No, he just lied about it and then proceeded to administer with hate and identity politics.

Right. Comments like "if they bring a knife we'll bring a gun" or "they bitterly cling to their guns and religion" come readily to mind. I have a lot more if you want to review them.

I get a kick out of leftists who blame Trump for playing the same identity politics the left institutionalized. They just can't help trying to live by double-standards with one set of rules for themselves and another set for everyone else who don't agree with them.


What's really funny is knowing you think I'm a Trump supporter. Now we'll all watch as you switch gears and start going after Cruz supporters, too.

Who saved Marcus Luttrel, Navy SEAL? Afghan villager who saved Navy Seal gets life line from U.S. - NY Daily News. I hope that guy gets US citizenship! (Has he yet?)

Most military people have incredibly close relationships with the indigenous people they work with. All you folks who claim to hate those who paint with broad brushes then turn around and do so yourself can very politely go toss off. Green Beret Speaks After Attacking Rapist | The Daily Caller

Yet another example of an American caring so deeply for the Afghan people he got kicked out of the service. Don't come at me with your racist diatribe. Many people can and do opertate as civilized human beings in an imperfect and non politcially correct world. They do so with compassion but also an ability identify the threats to keep themselves and others safe.

Those are not statements, or policies of discrimination, and hate. Identifying problems is the first step in solving them. By the way, the statement was, some illegal aliens are rapists, not Mexicans, big difference.