So... In other words.... God is never mentioned in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Neither is Jesus or Satan FWIW. Oh. Except to specifically limit and ban said god from the public government.

I got it now!

Funny how 83% of the population believes one myth and they feel somehow oppressed. You guys got it in the pledge, on the money, and someone says it in congress. What more do you want?

Talk about victim mentality.

 

The Constitution does, after all, mention God. Article VII reads, "done in Convention … the Seventeenth Day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America."

After the Constitution was ratified, Congress contemplated whether it should request the President to declare a national day of Thanksgiving to God.

The Congressional resolution was delivered to President Washington who heartily concurred with its request. On Oct 3, 1789, he issued the following proclamation:

"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and Whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me 'to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanks-giving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.'

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th. day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be. That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks, for his kind care and protection of the People of this country previous to their becoming a Nation, for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his providence, which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war, for the great degree of tranquillity, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed, for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us."

 

It's more about being honest with our history. A corollary to that thought is being honest about Islamic history.

 

Treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by the US Senate and and signed by President John Adams, 1797.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli

 

Touché, I agree. Let's look at all US History, not just that which supports our views.

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving?

Article VI of the Constitution also says that no religious test will be applied to hold office.

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

 

I do, but as a secular "holiday". Is your implication that if I do it must acknowledge its Christian roots?

You got it, as soon as Christians accept the traditional pagan roots of all their religious ceremonies.

Hey...meant a minute. What DOES a bunny or eggs have to do with Easter, or a tree and Santa have to do with Christmas?!

As others have pointed out: they're all fairy tales anyway. Let's grow up and start thinking and acting like adults.

 

Sorry for the thread creep. The original intent of this was a discussion of Islam. Islam and Sharia are tied at the hip, they are the same thing. Islam (which literally means "submission") is both a religion and a way of government. I simply look at countries where Islam is the predominant religion and see how they treat non-Muslims and draw my conclusions from that. Look at how Islam spread from its founding with Mohammad.

 

Not sure what you're getting at. Aside from stating year of our Lord in a date there is no mention of god in the constitution. Period. End of story. Furthermore, these same frames went out of their way to ban religious test for federal office.

An honest look at Christianity shows crimes equally as terrible as ISIS. Difference is there is no video of it and Christians have for the most part moved past that terrible period in their history. Islam is much younger and is now in the same fight Martain Luther waged not so long ago.
To the original point of this thread, we have to be honest about Islam. It does not have as many contradictions as the bible, therefore it's moderates have a hard time pointing to scripture that refutes the fundamentalist and suicide bombers. The Koran does say some awful things.
Again, if you're serious about stopping suicide bombers in the US look for Islamist. 100% of suicide bombers are Islamist.
And we should work towards the goal of having reason and logic in our public policy, not fairy tales and myth.

 

What about the fanatic Christians, fanatic Jews, etc... Every religion and population has people with hatred in them.

 

Absolutely correct.

Sadly, most are not and worse, utterly incapable of being so. However, my sadness is offset by humor when I hear them protest otherwise.