Realistic First/Second Year Pay
05-12-2016, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyNow
This is a nice sentiment if you're reading this straight off the pay scale, but the reality is that you can't even sniff the FO seat in either of those pieces of equipment after 10 years. I'm at AA and it's the same story, save for a few outliers the right seat of our 777/787s are all guys that could be senior NB captains and the majority are top 20% on the seniority list. I talked to a 25 year UAL 737 CA that said he'd love to go 747, but isn't even close. So it's easy to try to compare the pay rates, but it's not always an option.
The Junior FO on the Wide body:
747 - 3 years
787 - 3 years
777 - 2.5 years (3 Year SFO pilots are within a couple numbers of a line)
12,600 pilots on property 11,200 is junior wide body.
These numbers are going to drop this fall and I would not be surprised to see pilots with less than a year on property in the 777 and 787 by next summer. United is taking close to 100 737/319 over the course of the next 2 years and is taking 14 new 777-300ERs in 6 months starting in JAN. Lots of New CA and Wide body FO positions.
05-13-2016, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by VegassBus
This for real? FedEx guys making over half a million?
On one trip as soon as I lifted the gear handle leaving Memphis, the Captain told the RFO and me, "drinks and dinners are on me." I looked at him in a state of shock because Captains never say that.
He told us that he was on his second draft trip with conflict for the month. In other words, he pulled in minimum $95,000 that month.
With widebody Captains making $300,000 easily anyways, 400-500K isn't a stretch if they draft and use the contract to their advantage.
05-14-2016, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Yes, for real.
On one trip as soon as I lifted the gear handle leaving Memphis, the Captain told the RFO and me, "drinks and dinners are on me." I looked at him in a state of shock because Captains never say that.
He told us that he was on his second draft trip with conflict for the month. In other words, he pulled in minimum $95,000 that month.
With widebody Captains making $300,000 easily anyways, 400-500K isn't a stretch if they draft and use the contract to their advantage.
On one trip as soon as I lifted the gear handle leaving Memphis, the Captain told the RFO and me, "drinks and dinners are on me." I looked at him in a state of shock because Captains never say that.
He told us that he was on his second draft trip with conflict for the month. In other words, he pulled in minimum $95,000 that month.
With widebody Captains making $300,000 easily anyways, 400-500K isn't a stretch if they draft and use the contract to their advantage.
And yes, some Captains actually do pick up drinks and dinner.
05-14-2016, 07:38 AM
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He picked up a draft trip which knocked out his main trip for the month. He then picked up another trip at draft. Yes he flew an awful a lot that month but guys flying draft during contract discussions didn't care. The senior 777 guys told everyone not to fly draft while doing it themselves because "you just have to when it's that much money."
I know another Captain who made the same if not more by picking up draft and then being removed for IOE.
I know another Captain who made the same if not more by picking up draft and then being removed for IOE.
05-18-2016, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
As a current regional captain hoping to move on, I wanted to start a thread on realistic take home pay for those aspiring to move on to the legacies & majors. There are of course the calculators and hourly data on this site, but between various nuances of bases/aircraft/staffing/etc, it would be neat to see some real world examples. With everyone's financial situations being different it can be challenging to have a solid idea of what the first year or two will hold.
It's fairly obvious that by year 3 or even 2 the pay is higher for even a hard working left seater at the regional level but I think good data would be great. So for those who have recently made the transition any data would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
If we get some good data I'll update this post with running numbers of min/high/average and such. If it's a bad idea I'll go hide in my corner
It's fairly obvious that by year 3 or even 2 the pay is higher for even a hard working left seater at the regional level but I think good data would be great. So for those who have recently made the transition any data would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
If we get some good data I'll update this post with running numbers of min/high/average and such. If it's a bad idea I'll go hide in my corner
We have a long, long way to go before we are compensated as we should be.
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