United Projected Growth & Hiring
06-05-2016, 09:35 AM
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United Projected Growth & Hiring
I posted this on a thread about hiring in the United section and thought I'd repost here.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
06-05-2016, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
I'm cautiously optimistic. What happens to all these used 319's and other less fuel efficient airplanes when gas prices go back up to 3-4 dollars a gallon?
06-05-2016, 10:00 AM
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Just to add, here is a recent update (May 2016) on hiring @ UAL:
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
06-05-2016, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RomeoBravo
Just to add, here is a recent update (May 2016) on hiring @ UAL:
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
So ATCA will essentially be the hiring of flight instructors to United who get their ATP's through instructing?
How is this being received by the pilot group as it sounds similar to what JB has set up and they don't seem to pleased about it?
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06-05-2016, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RomeoBravo
Just to add, here is a recent update (May 2016) on hiring @ UAL:
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
Hiring
*****
Over the next 20 years, United will need to hire more than 10,000 pilots based on retirements and attrition alone. In that same period, major US airlines will need almost 50,000 new pilots. The competition for the best and brightest pilots is heating up.
Hiring Update
May 2016
We continue to welcome new pilots to United, with 295 joining us so far this year (as of 5/3/16). We have also had 29 furloughed pilots return in the last few months as well as 34 additional pilots returning from various Leaves of Absence. With 14 more Basic Indoc classes scheduled between now and the end of December, we expect to bring on about 300 more new hires this year.
Through September of this year, new hires and pilots returning from involuntary furlough are going primarily to the B-737 but about 45 of them are going to the B-756 in EWR. For September-December we will be placing new hires on those two fleets plus the A-320. We are in the middle of a staffing increase on the B-737 in both SFO and LAX so we are seeing more new hires going to those two locations for the immediate future.
As a future pilot sourcing initiative to counter the potential shortage of qualified pilots to United, we have implemented Career Path Programs with three companies. Two of them are regional carriers - CommutAir and ExpressJet's E-145 operation. The third is Airline Training Center of Arizona (ATCA). Pilots from these companies must meet all of our minimum qualifications and must pass the same stringent hiring steps as our street hires. They will be accepted for employment and metered over to mainline United after a thorough review of their performance, proficiency, and dependability at their regional carrier. We can expect to see some of them on the property in the last few months of this year.
Our forecast for 2017 is calling for approximately 800-900 new pilots to join the airline, and we are beginning to plan for that now.
As always, plans are subject to change and we will update this site with any significant modifications.
****
06-05-2016, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
I posted this on a thread about hiring in the United section and thought I'd repost here.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
I've asked a few of the FO's I've flown with who were upgrading soon after we flew to let me know what they heard during Captain Indoc which is conducted at headquarters in Chicago. They get briefings from senior management and even Oscar Munoz our CEO usually visits.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting back what I've heard. I know it's very optimistic and yes things can change in a NY second.
That being said here is what I've heard recently.
Current mainline fleet is 723, by end of next year 816 and up to 1000 in five years.
Planning on a 18,000 pilot seniority list in five years, current list just over 12,500.
Taking delivery of all 35 firm and 15 options of the A350's.
14 777-300's 4 to SFO rest to EWR.
40% of pilot group will be new hires in five years.
Most senior managers say they have never worked for a CEO like Oscar, very optimistic.
Sorry, not shooting the messenger, it's just not as easy as people make it out to be.
06-05-2016, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by formercrjdriver
So what you're saying is, if I drop a couple hundred dollars on a job fair, and wait in line all day with 1,000 other guys to kiss someone's butt, sometime in the next 5-10 years I could maybe be 17,999 of 18,000.
Sorry, not shooting the messenger, it's just not as easy as people make it out to be.
Sorry, not shooting the messenger, it's just not as easy as people make it out to be.
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