Pilot Phraseology and Radio Usage
02-19-2007, 08:47 PM
#11
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2005
Position: B-757, B-767 F/O
Posts: 67
Thanks for the tips, Seeburg! Sorry for all the heartache we can cause you.
By posting this info, you're helping a lot of pilots like myself become better communicators with ATC.
PS: I always taught my students to count to 5 in their heads before transmitting on a new freq. I hate it when guys flip the switch to the new freq. and immediately begin transmitting...
By posting this info, you're helping a lot of pilots like myself become better communicators with ATC.
PS: I always taught my students to count to 5 in their heads before transmitting on a new freq. I hate it when guys flip the switch to the new freq. and immediately begin transmitting...
02-20-2007, 12:14 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,370
The worst part is when controllers are working multiple frequencies (as mentioned before). Up here it seems like there will sometimes be one guy working most of Alaska by himself. That's a lot of different frequencies, even if there is only one bird in each one the poor guy will invariably get every aircraft trying to ask something at the same time. 
Anchorage gets fairly congested with all the foreign heavies coming in and out... some of those guys are really hard to understand, I feel for you controllers who have to try to understand that garble all day! We try to really pay attention to what they actually do once given an instruction.
Anchorage gets fairly congested with all the foreign heavies coming in and out... some of those guys are really hard to understand, I feel for you controllers who have to try to understand that garble all day! We try to really pay attention to what they actually do once given an instruction.
02-20-2007, 02:01 AM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Captain 767
Posts: 91
Seeburg, Nice info, and good points..
It wasn't until I started flying to garden spots like India and the Far East that I realized how good we have it.. We often look at each other after a radio call like a dog looking at the TV.. "What the h#ll did he say??" Any ways, we are usually saved by using CPDLC. The best thing to ever come to the 3rd world.. I was curious to know when we would have it and use it in the US?? (Controller Pilot Data Link Comms.)
Cheers,
EKBC
It wasn't until I started flying to garden spots like India and the Far East that I realized how good we have it.. We often look at each other after a radio call like a dog looking at the TV.. "What the h#ll did he say??" Any ways, we are usually saved by using CPDLC. The best thing to ever come to the 3rd world.. I was curious to know when we would have it and use it in the US?? (Controller Pilot Data Link Comms.)
Cheers,
EKBC
02-20-2007, 03:01 AM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by EK Birdcage
Seeburg, Nice info, and good points..
It wasn't until I started flying to garden spots like India and the Far East that I realized how good we have it.. We often look at each other after a radio call like a dog looking at the TV.. "What the h#ll did he say??" Any ways, we are usually saved by using CPDLC. The best thing to ever come to the 3rd world.. I was curious to know when we would have it and use it in the US?? (Controller Pilot Data Link Comms.)
Cheers,
EKBC
It wasn't until I started flying to garden spots like India and the Far East that I realized how good we have it.. We often look at each other after a radio call like a dog looking at the TV.. "What the h#ll did he say??" Any ways, we are usually saved by using CPDLC. The best thing to ever come to the 3rd world.. I was curious to know when we would have it and use it in the US?? (Controller Pilot Data Link Comms.)
Cheers,
EKBC
They cancelled data link a few years back from what I heard. It would make life so much easier, so I hope they un-cancel it. I also hope they find a way to add a 5th digit or charachter to the transponder. Seems like a code change is par with every other plane checking on these days. There is just more metal flying than the guy who designed it 50 years ago ever imagined.
And for the multiple freq thing. It's a pain for me as well. I would think they would be able to wire up a repeater, so when one aircraft on one freq is talking, it transmits out to the other 1 or 2 freqs I have. The only other way of eliminating that problem is to hire enough controllers to keep all of those sectors open independantly; fat chance!
02-20-2007, 03:06 AM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by de727ups
Holy crap, Seeburg, welcome to the site. Did you actually write that?
Wow, ummmmm.....welcome to the site.
Wow, ummmmm.....welcome to the site.
Yep, I wrote it, but admittedly, I spent some time doing it, trying to keep it readable. Hey, are you flying the 727? That's my favorite bird! It was also my very first fam-trip back around 1990 in an AAL -100 series. It just looked like a hands-on plane that would be fun to fly; and it looks cool! -
Seeburg
02-20-2007, 03:37 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
So there we were last night, on final for the Oakland airport, landing RW 29, about 9 miles out when a guy with a call sign I'd never heard before calls tower at 3 miles from touchdown. The tower had been trying to call him, but he obviously hadn't switched frequencies yet. Anyway this guy comes on and actually says to the tower "My Bad." Just amazing.
02-20-2007, 07:04 PM
#18
Swearing at the FMA
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: MD-88 FO
Posts: 902
Good thread and info!
Something I was taught to do after being handed off was take a few seconds to monitor the engine instruments. This is an important task, and gives you a few seconds to listen to what is going on before keying the mike.
Something I was taught to do after being handed off was take a few seconds to monitor the engine instruments. This is an important task, and gives you a few seconds to listen to what is going on before keying the mike.
02-20-2007, 08:34 PM
#19
Day puke
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
Seeburg,
thanks for the view from the other side of the glass.
one question/suggestion: when i am unsure of a clearence, I read back something I am unsure of, i say "confirm" prior to the heading etc. is that a help or hinderence?
thanks
john
thanks for the view from the other side of the glass.
one question/suggestion: when i am unsure of a clearence, I read back something I am unsure of, i say "confirm" prior to the heading etc. is that a help or hinderence?
thanks
john
02-21-2007, 03:09 AM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 117
Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Seeburg,
thanks for the view from the other side of the glass.
one question/suggestion: when i am unsure of a clearence, I read back something I am unsure of, i say "confirm" prior to the heading etc. is that a help or hinderence?
thanks
john
thanks for the view from the other side of the glass.
one question/suggestion: when i am unsure of a clearence, I read back something I am unsure of, i say "confirm" prior to the heading etc. is that a help or hinderence?
thanks
john
