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SayAlt 11-30-2016 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by climb (Post 2252788)

Campaign theme is right. But the campaign is over... No need to keep promises.

:/

I disagree.

The outgoing guy made major promises re: national unity and gov't transparency, neither of which he made any serious attempt to keep. As Jon Stewart so aptly said in a Rolling Stone interview in 2011, "It is as if he was over us (the voters) as soon as he took office."

Look where that got him and, more importantly, his party. One has to go all the way back to the 1920s to find democrats so politically weak nationwide as of Jan. 2017. History will inescapably show him to be a political aberration, not the "new normal". And his failures, almost all of them, go back to failing to keep those two central campaign promises of unity and transparency.

But then, that's what ya get when you promote a guy with no experience whatsoever to be the chief executive. Remember Democrats insisting his lack of experience didn't matter?? Well sir, it will be generations before they make that mistake again, if ever!

The new guy, on the other hand, has decades of experience being a chief executive, and a very successful one at that. He isn't likely to make the same novice mistakes in leadership the outgoing guy did...like failing to keep key, important campaign promises. Can he fail to keep them? Of course. Will he? I don't think so, not the important ones. If he doesn't, he is unlikely to win a 2nd term.

Voters don't like being lied to. See: the last 8 years

CBreezy 11-30-2016 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by n9810f (Post 2252535)
She was a long time member of the board of directors at Northwest Airlines Corporation.

During the good or bad years? I'm concerned by menus memos released by the Heritage Foundation that essentially say NAI is good for the economy. I'd imagine she had some say in those releases.

CBreezy 11-30-2016 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2252682)
Take a deep breath and try to relax.

The new SoT is NOT going to be operating in a vacuum and do whatever she wants in spite of the incoming administration's #1 campaign theme "fair deal for the American worker(s)".

And the Heritage Foundation is not going to be running the gov't.

Geez. :rolleyes:

I'm not panicking. I'm asking questions that we should all be asking. And yes, the SoT is the one who approves foreign carrier permits so, technically, she could allow the flag of convenience model.

Finally, she is known to leave organizations she doesn't agree with, for example she left a group that invested in a cause that supported clean energy because it hurt the coal industry. She is/was fellow at the HF. Having expertise as former SoL and under Sec of transportation, you can bet that anything that is published regarding labor and transportation was probably run by her desk. To think otherwise is naïve. She was chosen by Trump specifically and I would bet she wants and believes that NAI is good for the economy.

Molon Labe 11-30-2016 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2252975)
During the good or bad years? I'm concerned by menus memos released by the Heritage Foundation that essentially say NAI is good for the economy. I'd imagine she had some say in those releases.

The bad years! She is a free trade type not fair trade...She is bad for working USA...rhetoric one way actions equal "you can't give away an American job fast enough"

krudawg 11-30-2016 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252849)
People actually believe aviation pensions disappeared because of a terrorist attack? Wow.

911 was responsible for a very heavy drop-off in flying customers. It is the paying customer who pays our wages and paid for our pension. When they stopped coming, the money airlines used to pay our wages dried up. It wasn't George Bush or any of his "misguided" policies, it was simply airlines going in survivor mode and peeling back their overhead. The PBGC aggravated our situation because they demanded the company "hand over" our pensions and after some foot dragging, they got all our pension money. Federal law (Bankruptcy) allowed our "underfunded" pension to be "unloaded" by the airlines. It was tragic what happen to us and a double-wammy, when you consider our ESOP stock loss.

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 04:50 PM

Well then according to that logic since the airlines are making money hand over fist we'll all be pensioned soon. Right? Trying not to be facetious but 9/11 wasn't the reason. It certainly helped with their justification for doing it.

SayAlt 11-30-2016 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2252981)

I'm not panicking. I'm asking questions that we should all be asking.

Agreed.



Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2252981)

yes, the SoT is the one who approves foreign carrier permits so, technically, she could allow the flag of convenience model. I would bet she wants and believes that NAI is good for the economy.

Maybe so. However, the question at hand is not what is good for the economy per se, but what is best for the American worker, the vast middle class that elected Trump.

If Trump were inexperienced as was his predecessor, I would be very concerned he might make the mistake you are worried about. But he is a businessman first and foremost. He understands the issues of flags-of-convenience instinctively, and his core campaign promise was to say NO to issues and deals that were unfair to American workers.

My point is that it isn't what the new SoT thinks is best, but what her boss thinks is best. And he...unlike her...has a promise to keep. And importantly, not just to red state America, but to the blue state workers who voted in their millions for him, as they did for Reagan.

You raise an important issue. Let's see what happens. I think Trump is sincere. Like he says....he didn't need the job, or the headaches that come with it. He was already set for life. Let's give him a chance to put his newly-given clout where his mouth has been. If he reneges on his promise...specifically as concerns NAI...I will join you in condemning him. It's a prefect issue to test his sincerity, and there is little doubt that Doug Parker and Co. will have their chance to bend his ear on the matter. Moreover, cheap international air travel is not of paramount concern to the well-being of the American economy. Good paying jobs that keep the consumer-based economy afloat are far more important than cheap cost of international travel. Trump will understand that without lengthy explanation.

Let's see what happens first and not read too much into a(ny) cabinet appointment. If we know anything about Trump, it is that HE calls the shots, not those under him. Like I said, he has decades of experience as a CEO. Let's see how he leads before throwing him under the bus.

That is, unless one happens to be part of the extremist fringe the American electorate has thrown back into obscurity for at least the next several years, at a minimum. For those, there is nothing he can do that will not be met with cries of faux outrage and hair-pulling, drama-queens to the last.

Nevjets 11-30-2016 06:11 PM

Former Labor Sec appointed as Trans Sec
 

Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2253064)
Well then according to that logic since the airlines are making money hand over fist we'll all be pensioned soon. Right? Trying not to be facetious but 9/11 wasn't the reason. It certainly helped with their justification for doing it.


In essence, yes. Instead of the defined benefit plans, airlines are compensating you at the same rate, if not better, with a defined contribution plan. What's is up to now? Sixteen percent?

BigDukeSix 11-30-2016 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252810)
I love when people open their mouths and remove all doubt. So, where exactly did you go to school and what did you study? My first degree was engineering. And like 99.9% of scientifically trained people I know climate change is happening and that it has been brought on by human activity since the start of the Industrial Revolution. It's no longer a debate. Only fools don't acknowledge and accept our impact.

Who really cares if the temperature goes up 1 or 2 degress C in a hundred years anyway? It would be nice to have winters a little warmer. If the cavemen could handle the end of the ice age I think we're fine. And by the way since when was engineering the same as a climatology or meteorology degree? That is like saying someone with a CDL is qualified to fly an airliner.

kevbo 11-30-2016 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2253064)
Well then according to that logic since the airlines are making money hand over fist we'll all be pensioned soon. Right? Trying not to be facetious but 9/11 wasn't the reason. It certainly helped with their justification for doing it.

I remember seeing $1200 one ways turn into $400 round trips in 6 months. The Internet and an oversupply of seats let it happen fast. Well funded startups (jet blue) bled the legacys dry.


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