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CBreezy 11-29-2016 07:19 AM

Former Labor Sec appointed as Trans Sec
 
I'm going to put this here in hopes of having an important discussion.

Elaine Chao, former Labor secretary and heritage foundation fellow is going to become the next Transportation Secretary. From reading some of the Heritage Foundation publications, it looks like they want to dissolve the TSA, oppose the Airport Improvement taxes, and are pro ATC privatization.

It also appears the Heritage Foundation considers the Deny NAI movement as anti-competition. What are your thoughts on how this move affects two of our most important movements (ME3 and NAI)?

crxpilot 11-29-2016 07:43 AM

Less government is always better.

CBreezy 11-29-2016 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2252004)
Less government is always better.

I'm not interested in having a discussion on liberal versus conservative fiscal policy.

Arty13 11-29-2016 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2252025)
I'm not interested in having a discussion on liberal versus conservative fiscal policy.

This ^^^^
We all understand that Uncle Sam has its place. And I believe our civic duty is to be suspicious of anything coming from D.C. Let's not kick this can around. Instead discuss specific issues.

I am concerned about what the new appointment means concerning NAI, and about our future ability to strike. But I'll reserve judgement until I see what actually happens.

Molon Labe 11-29-2016 09:33 AM

This is really bad..Elaine Chao is a feudalistic person with chinese sensibilities regarding labor, and crony competitive practices.

89Pistons 11-29-2016 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2252004)
Less government is always better.

By your logic, if less government is ALWAYS better that would mean that you believe no government is best. So do you really believe less government is ALWAYS better or are you just repeating things you've heard on TV and read in the newspaper?

AncientAliens 11-29-2016 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2252146)
By your logic, if less government is ALWAYS better that would mean that you believe no government is best. So do you really believe less government is ALWAYS better or are you just repeating things you've heard on TV and read in the newspaper?

I think he just means less government unless it directly benefits him.

N19906 11-29-2016 12:26 PM

He's trolling.

awax 11-29-2016 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2251989)
I'm going to put this here in hopes of having an important discussion.


Originally Posted by N19906 (Post 2252243)
He's trolling.

What was your first clue? :D

NYC Pilot 11-29-2016 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2251989)
I'm going to put this here in hopes of having an important discussion.

Elaine Chao, former Labor secretary and heritage foundation fellow is going to become the next Transportation Secretary. From reading some of the Heritage Foundation publications, it looks like they want to dissolve the TSA, oppose the Airport Improvement taxes, and are pro ATC privatization.

It also appears the Heritage Foundation considers the Deny NAI movement as anti-competition. What are your thoughts on how this move affects two of our most important movements (ME3 and NAI)?

In my opinion, the ME3 are here to stay... As in never going away.. BUT, what do I know

Gunga Din 11-29-2016 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2251989)
I'm going to put this here in hopes of having an important discussion.

Elaine Chao, former Labor secretary and heritage foundation fellow is going to become the next Transportation Secretary. From reading some of the Heritage Foundation publications, it looks like they want to dissolve the TSA, oppose the Airport Improvement taxes, and are pro ATC privatization.

It also appears the Heritage Foundation considers the Deny NAI movement as anti-competition. What are your thoughts on how this move affects two of our most important movements (ME3 and NAI)?

She is senate majority leader Mitch McConnells wife. Was Labor secretary under W Bush. She was present when airlines gutted pensions. She has been criticized by both parties for not adequately investigating over 70,000 labor complaints against employers. She sided with port owners against teamsters in LA and forced them back to work.
She is pro business and anti labor. That decade was a lost decade for most of us and in general not a very good time for labor. But then again her boss is actively trying to break a union in Vegas so at least it's consistent.

Not exactly draining the swamp.

Strap in boys. It's going to be a long four years.

89Pistons 11-29-2016 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by N19906 (Post 2252243)
He's trolling.

I should have caught that. Thanks for pointing it out.

F9 Driver 11-29-2016 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2252294)
She is senate majority leader Mitch McConnells wife. Was Labor secretary under W Bush. She was present when airlines gutted pensions. She has been criticized by both parties for not adequately investigating over 70,000 labor complaints against employers. She sided with port owners against teamsters in LA and forced them back to work.
She is pro business and anti labor. That decade was a lost decade for most of us and in general not a very good time for labor. But then again her boss is actively trying to break a union in Vegas so at least it's consistent.

Not exactly draining the swamp.

Strap in boys. It's going to be a long four years.

+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^
https://js.washingtonpost.com/video/...c-91749443c5e5

CBreezy 11-29-2016 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2252318)
I should have caught that. Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm not trolling. I'm inviting a legitimate conversation because this will have immediate implications to our careers.

89Pistons 11-29-2016 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2252325)
I'm not trolling. I'm inviting a legitimate conversation because this will have immediate implications to our careers.

I know you're not. I'm glad you started the thread. crxpilot was trolling in the #2 post in the thread. That's who we're talking about.

GogglesPisano 11-29-2016 03:30 PM

Why would anyone be surprised at all by this?

ColdChicken 11-29-2016 03:56 PM

Right...because liberal Democrats are a real friend to labor that makes $150+ a year....

Gunga Din 11-29-2016 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by ColdChicken (Post 2252362)
Right...because liberal Democrats are a real friend to labor that makes $150+ a year....

It's not a democrat republican thing. These are specific people making real decisions that are against your specific interest. The parties themselves have so many overlapping interest it's not accurate to say one party has your interest in mind.
But this is a clear signal Donald is against organized labor and we are about to get bent over.

crxpilot 11-29-2016 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2252146)
By your logic, if less government is ALWAYS better that would mean that you believe no government is best. So do you really believe less government is ALWAYS better or are you just repeating things you've heard on TV and read in the newspaper?

Do you need a tissue for your tears snowflake?

n9810f 11-29-2016 10:00 PM

She was a long time member of the board of directors at Northwest Airlines Corporation.

89Pistons 11-29-2016 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2252459)
Do you need a tissue for your tears snowflake?

Wow, that's less insightful than your first post in this thread. I didn't think it was possible.

50SeatsofGrey 11-30-2016 04:38 AM

If anyone was still on the fence about whether or not this career will be destroyed by foreign flag, this should remove all doubt.

krudawg 11-30-2016 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Gunga Din (Post 2252294)
She is senate majority leader Mitch McConnells wife. Was Labor secretary under W Bush. She was present when airlines gutted pensions. She has been criticized by both parties for not adequately investigating over 70,000 labor complaints against employers. She sided with port owners against teamsters in LA and forced them back to work.
She is pro business and anti labor. That decade was a lost decade for most of us and in general not a very good time for labor. But then again her boss is actively trying to break a union in Vegas so at least it's consistent.

Not exactly draining the swamp.

Strap in boys. It's going to be a long four years.

So are you implying that losing our pensions was a direct result of the Bush Administration and not the actions of 19 misguided fanatics who hijacked two of our jetliners along with jets from American Airlines and killed over 3 thousand Americans is this country's worst terrorist attack?

Dunkin 11-30-2016 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 2252652)
So are you implying that losing our pensions was a direct result of the Bush Administration and not the actions of 19 misguided fanatics who hijacked two of our jetliners along with jets from American Airlines and killed over 3 thousand Americans is this country's worst terrorist attack?

9/11 did not require the airlines to kick the pensions to the curb, that would be the overly business freindly bankruptcy laws and anti labor government we have had for nearly 40 years now (both parties). Pensions could have easily survived the recessions but our laws have made it easy for corporations to go back on pensions promises (but only for labor, they always find money for senior management pensions and golden parachutes).

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2252536)
Wow, that's less insightful than your first post in this thread. I didn't think it was possible.

The Alt-Right are notorious for many reasons. Critical thinking and insight aren't among them. On topic, I agree that his pick isn't friendly to labor but I wonder how much she can really do in that office to truly impact our lives. I guess we'll see.

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by 50SeatsofGrey (Post 2252594)
If anyone was still on the fence about whether or not this career will be destroyed by foreign flag, this should remove all doubt.

But, but, but, we're gonna make 'Murica great again. This won't help.:rolleyes:

CanoePilot 11-30-2016 06:41 AM

A bigger impact would have been the "carbon credit" schemes the progressive Marxist wanted to push with their "climate change" nonsense.

The Lefts entire ideology is based on envy.

SayAlt 11-30-2016 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2251989)

It appears the Heritage Foundation considers the Deny NAI movement as anti-competition. What are your thoughts on how this move affects two of our most important movements (ME3 and NAI)?


Take a deep breath and try to relax.

The new SoT is NOT going to be operating in a vacuum and do whatever she wants in spite of the incoming administration's #1 campaign theme "fair deal for the American worker(s)".

And the Heritage Foundation is not going to be running the gov't.

Geez. :rolleyes:

SayAlt 11-30-2016 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252663)

The Alt-Right are notorious for many reasons. Critical thinking and insight aren't among them.


LOL

Gotta laugh at lefties desperate to label everyone who disagrees with them "Alt-right" and all that is supposed to mean. Critical thinking and insight is certainly not among those pushing that "narrative".



Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252664)

We're gonna make America great again.

Fixed it for you.

It never was going to be the Amerika you want. Nor will it ever be. Move to Venezuela. Oh, wait...

Mesabah 11-30-2016 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by 50SeatsofGrey (Post 2252594)
If anyone was still on the fence about whether or not this career will be destroyed by foreign flag, this should remove all doubt.

Single pilot, flag of convenience was always coming no matter what. Cheap mass travel is far more important to the economy, than well paid pilots. If a car can drive itself, an airplane can certainly fly with one less pilot.

climb 11-30-2016 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by SayAlt (Post 2252682)
Take a deep breath and try to relax.

The new SoT is NOT going to be operating in a vacuum and do whatever she wants in spite of the incoming administration's #1 campaign theme "fair deal for the American worker(s)".

And the Heritage Foundation is not going to be running the gov't.

Geez. :rolleyes:

Campaign theme is right. But the campaign is over... No need to keep promises.

:/

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 2252680)
A bigger impact would have been the "carbon credit" schemes the progressive Marxist wanted to push with their "climate change" nonsense.

I love when people open their mouths and remove all doubt. So, where exactly did you go to school and what did you study? My first degree was engineering. And like 99.9% of scientifically trained people I know climate change is happening and that it has been brought on by human activity since the start of the Industrial Revolution. It's no longer a debate. Only fools don't acknowledge and accept our impact.

Gunga Din 11-30-2016 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 2252652)
So are you implying that losing our pensions was a direct result of the Bush Administration and not the actions of 19 misguided fanatics who hijacked two of our jetliners along with jets from American Airlines and killed over 3 thousand Americans is this country's worst terrorist attack?

If you thought I was implying it then I wasn't obvious enough.

The loss of our pensions had everything to do with government policy. 9-11 was only the catalyst.

The people rising to power again are either the exact same people or they hold the same beliefs regarding labor policy.

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 10:50 AM

People actually believe aviation pensions disappeared because of a terrorist attack? Wow.

Mesabah 11-30-2016 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252810)
I love when people open their mouths and remove all doubt. So, where exactly did you go to school and what did you study? My first degree was engineering. And like 99.9% of scientifically trained people I know climate change is happening and that it has been brought on by human activity since the start of the Industrial Revolution. It's no longer a debate. Only fools don't acknowledge and accept our impact.

Someone who is "scientifically" trained would never make that statement.

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2252851)
Someone who is "scientifically" trained would never make that statement.

What is it our new leader likes to say? Oh yeah, wrong. It's no longer a debate. It's happening and it's quantifiable and provable. The only debate is how the climate will change and what effect that will have upon all creatures inhabiting this planet. The consenus so far is not a good one. Plenty of people chose to believe the Earth was flat for some time. Just like the many who chose to believe the Earth was the center of the universe despite Copernicus and his elegant proofs otherwise. And just like many fundamental religious idiots today choose to believe the Earth has only been around for six thousand years. Choose to believe that we don't impact the climate if you want. Just don't let your "beliefs" get in the way of grown ups who are trying to make the world a better place for all in it and all yet to come.

SayAlt 11-30-2016 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2252851)

Someone who is "scientifically" trained would never make that statement.


That, sir, is a very mild and accurate response. Only fools won't acknowledge and accept the truth of your observation here.



Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252867)

Oh yeah, wrong. It's no longer a debate.


See there? It's happening and it's quantifiable and provable. :D

SpeedyVagabond 11-30-2016 11:19 AM

Yeah I don't like you much either SayAlt. Like DirtyRat before you, I'd like to welcome you to my ignore list. Normally I suffer people I don't like because I may learn something of value from them. In your case I'm certain I won't.

Mesabah 11-30-2016 11:28 AM


Originally Posted by thevagabond (Post 2252867)
What is it our new leader likes to say? Oh yeah, wrong. It's no longer a debate. It's happening and it's quantifiable and provable. The only debate is how the climate will change and what effect that will have upon all creatures inhabiting this planet. The consenus so far is not a good one. Plenty of people chose to believe the Earth was flat for some time. Just like the many who chose to believe the Earth was the center of the universe despite Copernicus and his elegant proofs otherwise. And just like many fundamental religious idiots today choose to believe the Earth has only been around for six thousand years. Choose to believe that we don't impact the climate if you want. Just don't let your "beliefs" get in the way of grown ups who are trying to make the world a better place for all in it and all yet to come.

Do you see where you converted a possible problem into a political movement, and not a good one at that?


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