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trip 12-11-2016 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 2260599)
The facts are emerging, stay in denial , it's your choice, but Russia tried to influence our election, our enemies tried to subvert the process,,this is being acknowledged on a bipartisan level.

Zero evidence, step away from the fake news.

CBreezy 12-11-2016 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by trip (Post 2260675)
Zero evidence, step away from the fake news.

There is evidence. It's just not on Breitbart. Russian citizens hacked the DNC email accounts (fact) and sent them to wikileaks (fact). They did not hack the RNC emails (fact) and it's not because they didn't find anything. US Intelligence agencies have claimed that an analysis of the hacks has indicated that it was directed by the Russian government (fact). Now, as to whether it was done with the intent to "help trump get elected" is conjecture. It certainly hurt the Democrats and Clinton. It is nice to see the Democrats getting exposed for the things they did regarding Bernie Sanders. It would have been less suspicious of the Russians if they had hacked Democrat AND Republican emails because I'm sure they are just as scandalous.

Mesabah 12-11-2016 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2260701)
There is evidence. It's just not on Breitbart. Russian citizens hacked the DNC email accounts (fact) and sent them to wikileaks (fact). They did not hack the RNC emails (fact) and it's not because they didn't find anything. US Intelligence agencies have claimed that an analysis of the hacks has indicated that it was directed by the Russian government (fact). Now, as to whether it was done with the intent to "help trump get elected" is conjecture. It certainly hurt the Democrats and Clinton. It is nice to see the Democrats getting exposed for the things they did regarding Bernie Sanders. It would have been less suspicious of the Russians if they had hacked Democrat AND Republican emails because I'm sure they are just as scandalous.

The RNC wasn't hacked because Russians don't have the skills to hack Peter Thiel's security systems, even the CIA/NSA can't get in. The Democrat's are notorious for posting pictures to social media with their logins, and passwords written on the wall, because they are idiots. Any 1st year computer programmer, and Bernie sympathizer, could have logged in, and made it look like the files were sent to Russian citizens. Hell, even I can do that. If you want to start a war, that could go nuclear against the Russians, because a bunch of morons don't know how to use a computer, so much for any of your posts about the protecting the environment.

727C47 12-11-2016 11:27 AM

The CIA is fake news, ok Breitbart, I'm done here, Merry Christmas : )

Mesabah 12-11-2016 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 2260753)
The CIA is fake news, ok Breitbart, I'm done here, Merry Christmas : )

They took us all over the middle east on bad intelligence, costing hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides, missed 9/11, wasted $10 trillion dollars. What a stellar record...

trip 12-11-2016 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by 727C47 (Post 2260753)
The CIA is fake news, ok Breitbart, I'm done here, Merry Christmas : )

Umm, yes that's one of their specialties. They're now free to conduct ops inside the country as they see fit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith–Mundt_Act

GogglesPisano 12-11-2016 01:20 PM

Now it's conservatives who see the CIA as less than stellar. How times have changed.

BTW: I still fly with guys that insists Iraq had WMD's (at the time of the invasion.) They usually have bunkers, too.

Mesabah 12-11-2016 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2260794)
Now it's conservatives who see the CIA as less than stellar. How times have changed.

BTW: I still fly with guys that insists Iraq had WMD's (at the time of the invasion.) They usually have bunkers, too.

The CIA has always been a political tool, depends whose politics it's projecting. Trump should do what Kennedy tried to do, get rid of it.

iceman49 12-11-2016 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2260799)
The CIA has always been a political tool, depends whose politics it's projecting. Trump should do what Kennedy tried to do, get rid of it.

You mean this guy?

Kennedy's public dissatisfaction with the CIA did not even last long. On November 28th, 1961, in a ceremony at CIA headquarters, Kennedy told the Agency:
How grateful we are in the government and in the country for the services that the personnel of this Agency render to the country. It is not always easy. Your successes are unheralded-your failures are trumpeted. I sometimes have that feeling myself. But I am sure you realize how important your work, how essential it is-and how, in the long sweep of history, how significant your efforts will be judged. (25)
Then on January 9th, 1963, in a letter of commendation to Director John McCone, Kennedy expressed his "deep admiration for [their] achievements, and the appreciation of a grateful Nation" to the members of the intelligence community. (26) In fact, as late as October 9, 1963, a little less than two months before his death, President Kennedy had the following to say at a news conference about the Central Intelligence Agency:
I can find nothing, and I have looked through the record very carefully over the last nine months, and I could go back further, to indicate that the CIA has done anything but support policy. . . So I think that while the CIA may have made mistakes, as we all do, on different occasions, and has had many successes which may go unheralded, in my opinion in this case [South Vietnam] it is unfair to charge them as they have been charged. I think they have done a good job. (27)
The President was thus fully supporting the CIA in front of the nation.

Mesabah 12-11-2016 03:07 PM

I'm sure if Trump backs off his term limits policy, and his ban on officials entering the private sector, suddenly they will have made a mistake on that Russian hacking thing.

727C47 12-11-2016 03:23 PM

Mesabah, God help you, seriously , good luck.

Flytolive 12-11-2016 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 2260715)
The RNC wasn't hacked because Russians don't have the skills to hack Peter Thiel's security systems, even the CIA/NSA can't get in.

Do you ever tire or get embarrassed by being wrong so consistently?



NYT: Russians Hacked The RNC Too, U.S. Officials Say

ByTIERNEY SNEED

DECEMBER 10, 2016, 12:03 PM EDT

The Republican National Committee was the subject to a cyber-intrusion similar to the hack that led to the release of Democratic National Committee emails during the presidential campaign, top Obama administration officials told the New York Times. Republican officials, however, continue to deny that the RNC was hacked.

The fact that the RNC was hacked but none of its documents were released is part of the findings that have led the U.S intelligence community to conclude that Russian actors sought to boost Donald Trump over his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, the New York Times reported Friday.

The Washington Post also reported Friday that lawmakers had been briefed on a secret CIA assessment that Russian interference in the presidential election favored Trump over Clinton.

On CNN Saturday morning, RNC communications director Sean Spicer denied that the RNC had been hacked and accused the New York Times of ignoring "conclusive proof" that the intrusion hadn't happened.

"They refused to look at that. They ignored it, because it didn't fit the narrative," Spicer said. "The bottom line ... is the intelligence is wrong, because they're writing the conclusion they came to was based part on that the RNC was hacked. It wasn't hacked."

A senior RNC official had told the New York Times that it had no comment for its report, but in the past the committee has denied other claims that it had been hacked, including a comment made by House Homeland Security Chair Michael McCaul (R-TX) on CNN in September that he quickly walked back.

One senior government official told the Times that the attempts to hack the RNC were unsuccessful.

However, U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded -- with "high confidence," as one official put it to the New York Times -- that intrusions were in fact successful, and included the finding its briefings with the President and other officials.

Mesabah 12-11-2016 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2260834)
Do you ever tire or get embarrassed by being wrong so consistently?



NYT: Russians Hacked The RNC Too, U.S. Officials Say

ByTIERNEY SNEED

DECEMBER 10, 2016, 12:03 PM EDT

The Republican National Committee was the subject to a cyber-intrusion similar to the hack that led to the release of Democratic National Committee emails during the presidential campaign, top Obama administration officials told the New York Times. Republican officials, however, continue to deny that the RNC was hacked.

The fact that the RNC was hacked but none of its documents were released is part of the findings that have led the U.S intelligence community to conclude that Russian actors sought to boost Donald Trump over his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, the New York Times reported Friday.

The Washington Post also reported Friday that lawmakers had been briefed on a secret CIA assessment that Russian interference in the presidential election favored Trump over Clinton.

On CNN Saturday morning, RNC communications director Sean Spicer denied that the RNC had been hacked and accused the New York Times of ignoring "conclusive proof" that the intrusion hadn't happened.

"They refused to look at that. They ignored it, because it didn't fit the narrative," Spicer said. "The bottom line ... is the intelligence is wrong, because they're writing the conclusion they came to was based part on that the RNC was hacked. It wasn't hacked."

A senior RNC official had told the New York Times that it had no comment for its report, but in the past the committee has denied other claims that it had been hacked, including a comment made by House Homeland Security Chair Michael McCaul (R-TX) on CNN in September that he quickly walked back.

One senior government official told the Times that the attempts to hack the RNC were unsuccessful.

However, U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded -- with "high confidence," as one official put it to the New York Times -- that intrusions were in fact successful, and included the finding its briefings with the President and other officials.


Wuzatforus 12-11-2016 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by CanoePilot (Post 2253983)
Man made global warming is science fiction. The predictions have been proven false time and time again. even if the nonsense were true the solutions are disgusting. Carbon taxes and carbon credits would destroy the industry.

Besides there are more importantly issues than just having a pro union government which doesn't explain is the us . Sorry if I don't want to vote for a party that thinks it's OK to give amnesty to illegals and think borders are obsolete. Or thinks there are more than two genders.

You do know Fox News is not a good place to get actual news, right?

Science fiction? Stunning.


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