It is so easy to bait simpletons like you! It has been amusing. I'm sure you'll do great in life with your superior intellect!

Oh so this is how you're going to spin it lol? Tom threw you a life ring and you're holding on tight. Yeah, I'm not buying it BigDope. I will say I do like your choice of handles. Great movie, one of our finest actors, and a great movie character.

I am, thank you. But it's more of a burden though because my journey through life is accompanied by far too many people like you.

Who cares what the motivations are? Spreading blatant falsehoods just led to electing a person who along with his fellow billionaire cabinet members are about to decimate the very people who put him over the top.

Yep. The bullies feel safe to come out now. Gloating is in their DNA. Just look at the attacks egged on by fake news.

It's going to be an ugly, shameful 4 years -- if he's not impeached for ineptitude prior to that.

It's expensive to buy your way into the green club, where uncle sugar funds your non-competitive technology. Pay to play is how it works. Solving climate change involves putting certain climate activists on your payroll.

There's no solution we need to discover, Mesabah. The solution is for all to consume less and conserve. Drive to town once a day instead of six times. Get a bike for the nice weather. Quit using plastice bags and buy some reusable grocery bags. If one can, walk to the grocery store. From what I'm seeing, a lot of Americans could use several miles walking a day. And on and on. The solution is a simple but painful choice. The less carbon dioxide we produce the better off we'll all be. People don't have to move to Montana and live in a yurt eating moss and berries. After watching election coverage this year it's pretty clear to me many Americans are simply f'ing stupid. I have no hope many in this country will change any time soon.

The best way to curb consumption is to concentrate wealth to a very small group of people.

Aha, so now I finally figured out the current administration's plan.

Which is obviously the same plan as the next administration.

Well, Hillary would have raised taxes to plug bank's balance sheets, Trump is lowering taxes to plug bank's balance sheets. It's pretty clear who actually runs the country. There is some hope that Putin, who through the global bank cartel out of Russia in 2012, will help us do that here.

Well, that's a relief!

We are a cynical group around here, aren't we?:cool:

Today's tinfoil is tomorrow's "fake news" headline.

Trump will repeal, and replace the environment with something big league.

Ain't that the truth!

The thing about Trump is, it's clear people vastly underestimated him. He knows how to exploit stupid people and play on their ignorance and fear, far more effectively than most politicians. As we have seen, one must not underestimate the collective power of people of less than average intelligence, especially since by definition they make up 50% of the population. The question is, how long will it take before the people who voted for Trump wake up and realize that they've been had?

The one thing I do take consolation in is that 2.7 million more people saw through his act and voted for his opponent. The question is, what will come first?

1. Impeachment
2. Trump starts a global war because of something he sees on Fox News or Breitbart

Time will tell.

Hillary didn't actually win the primary, funny how that is glassed over in the media, yet a secret report by the Obama admin, shows that maybe the Russian's hacked the RNC too, but didn't publish, helping Trump. This is non-sense, the media is trying to spin this as the Russians hacked the ballots, which is completely false. Evidence of Hillary committing actual election fraud against Bernie, and then again vs Trump, is a fact.

So the CIA got it wrong?

There is a fight going on between the NSA, and CIA, and Trump has taken the side of the NSA. In fact Trump doesn't even attend his CIA briefings. Our government is messed up far more than people know.


Putin is after the grand prize next, Merkel, that should be fun to watch.

My two cents: It's our duty as Americans to hold the people we voted for accountable. They work for YOU. This goes for every politician. Criticize malfeasance when you see it, regardless of whether it's a D or an R doing it. I didn't vote for Trump, but I HOPE I vote for him in 4 years because he did that amazing of a job. The Republicans keeping quiet in September when they knew the Russians were trying to influence election results is totally unacceptable, as it would have been if the Democrats did it. It is your patriotic duty to let your elected leaders know they cannot behave like this.

The NSA director also said that the Russians were involved.

NSA CHIEF: Nation-state made 'conscious effort' to sway the election - Business Insider

What was the Democrat response when the UK had parliamentary hearings on banning Trump, in an effort to undermine the election?

And there's the disconnect (the size of Russia?). If the opposing party criticizes the fall back argument from the MAGA camp is dismissive strawman nonsense that doesn't address any of the issues.

Trump could show integrity and confidence in the democracy while simultaneously shutting down any critic by:

1.) Encouraging and assisting in any recount effort to prove that he's the legitimately elected leader of the USA.

2.) Encouraging and participating in any investigation effort to show that he had no ties to Russian electioneering and that he's the legitimately elected leader of the USA.


Instead, he's tweeting denials and flinging counter accusations. The illusion of impropriety is as bad as impropriety itself because it undermines public trust. The country is deeply divided, and this division will be used to divide and conquer in the most horrific way imaginable to the US.

Yup, just one more in a long line of highly selective organizations that somehow knows less than the mental midgets here on apc. :rolleyes:

See I kind of think you're proving my point. If someone criticizes a politician who aligns with your voting record your response shouldn't be "but what about the OTHER side and the time they did this thing!?"

I am not read up on what the democrats did or didn't do in regards to whatever happened the UK parliamentary hearings. But if it was malfeasance by any government official (as I believe is the case with McConnell withholding information to the American people) and I found out, I would strongly condemn it and vote accordingly in the next election.

These aren't sports teams. YOU'RE their boss. Hold them accountable.

The real reason the Democrat's probably lost is the extension of the Consent Decree was denied on Nov, 5th. Democrat's typically are allowed to introduce up to 500,000 additional ballots, depending on the state, into the system to counter supposed minority voter suppression. https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/...2016_Order.pdf

The Democrat's want to rerun the election with the Decree.

On October 26, 2016, the DNC filed a motion asking that the court find the RNC had violated the decree. On November 5, after abbreviated discovery, the district court denied the DNC’s request, ruling that the DNC had not provided sufficient evidence of coordination between the Trump campaign and the RNC on ballot-security operations, but will allow the DNC to offer further evidence after the election.

So is the 500,000 additional ballots part of the fake news? Might as well shoot for 1 mil

That's what it has been in the past, Democrats are allowed to commit voter fraud unchallenged by the RNC, but not anymore. The company I own works directly with the RNC, I'm well aware of what's happening.

On a side note, the three RNC chairs working together as outline by the DNC in that docket, were Michigan's Romney McDaniel, Wisconsin's Reince Priebus, and Pennsylvania's Gleason, remind me again which states the recounts were in? Funny isn't it?

When Hillary found out the Consent Decree was denied, she canceled her fireworks display.

if this Russian collusion proves to be true then Trump and the GOP are guilty of treason.

Talk's cheap. Call us when the Dems are under a consent decree like the Republicans have been since 1982 for voter intimidation. But that certainly explains your confused posts.

It's really hard to intimidate dead voters. The democrats cries are fluff, always have been. Voter ID laws protect the process.

There will never be any proof. This is how civil wars get started.

Some wars need to be fought

There is no Russian involvement, there is however, a $145,000 reward for information surrounding the execution of DNC computer programmer, and Bernie supporter, Seth Rich. The reward is offered by a few Republicans in the know, and wikileaks.

Back away from the ledge

Right, not according to the CIA , NSA, and several GOP , congressmen and Senators, this is not going away and the fact you are fine with it speaks volumes. Russia is our enemy, the government , not the people. That government according to our intelligence apparatus tried to influence the election. FACT.

A long time ago I used to wonder how people could do the things the SS did in the '30s and '40s. This thread illustrates how seemingly rational people can convince themselves of anything, right up to the horrors of the final solution, despite a mountain of evidence landsliding down on top of them.

Yup. When bullies rise up good people must beat them down.

Well, we have officially reached Godwin's law, time for the thread to end.

Yeah, but no evidence though. It's almost as if Obama is trying to undermine Trump's Presidency, like saying he was born in Kenya, or something.

The facts are emerging, stay in denial , it's your choice, but Russia tried to influence our election, our enemies tried to subvert the process,,this is being acknowledged on a bipartisan level.

Yawn. Is that the best you can do? You guys refuse to see the truth of global warming despite mountains of evidence we're doing it. And you foolishly flat out assert that Russia had nothing to do with tampering with our election. Myself and the rest of the reasonable people in America will wait to see what comes with respect to their involvement. The president you elected is a bully. For council he's surrounding himself with yes men who do not have your or my best interests in mind and who are completely out of touch with the lives of most of the people they represent. He wants to censor and limit the access of the press and he thinks Putin is an okay guy that he admires. You and the rest like you really are the deplorables.

Right, but Russia's grand plan to influence the election delivered Hillary the popular vote. Yet I posted above, factual proof that the RNC was working to curb voter fraud in the three rust belt states that decided this election. Did Russia hack Hillary's brain, and tell her not to campaign in Wisconsin?