That's funny Dolphin!

Being a pilot must be something that billionaires do for fun. How else can anyone that relies on a paycheck be so smug and secure with their position in life?

Were you recently in traffic encountering DWO?

There was once a similar job which inspired the same feeling: :)

"Your true pilot cares nothing about anything on earth but the river, and his pride in his occupation surpasses the pride of kings."

--Mark Twain
Life on the Mississippi

Dang, I think that's one of the best post I've read. Sums everything political about being a pilot in 2 sentences.

Going back to the thread's title, people get what they voted for. She will be bad for labor (we are labor, no matter what airplane you're flying or how much money you're making), bad for unions (yes, we are union), and bad for all those uneducated, white people who voted for high paying (union) manufacturing jobs.

My old man was a pilot at Delta. He retired almost 2 decades ago to give you relevance of our ages. He always voted Democrat and most pilots in his career gave him crap. I voted Republican, along with my older brother until 2004. My brother and I also gave him crap all through high school, college, etc. We had many, many discussions and arguments about ideology but the one thing he could've said that would have shut us both up...."See all this stuff? See this house? Cars? Vacations? Fantastic hunting adventures? Fishing trips? Enough money your mom could stay home and raise 4 kids so they didn't have to be raised in day care? Enough money so all 4 could go to college and have it all of it paid for? A union job paid for it. That's why I vote Democrat."

Folks, the wealthy, and I mean ultra wealthy like Trump are laughing all the way to the bank while people like us fight over ideology. Concentration of wealth continues. I'm not a socialist, but I am for a strong middle class working under capitalism. I'm afraid we just accelerated the "Bernie Sanders" socialism that much quicker.

We are labor, and nothing more.

Everyone is labor....

It's called a damn job.

Unions don't do much of anything for us. When 9-11 happened, they sure didn't save any pensions, nor did they save the decade which was lost by the industry. (Many of the mainline guys who were left with jobs were working for practically regional wages. Yeah-go union!)

Unions used to control much of the manufacturing industry.... Until NAFTA was signed by the democrat hero-Bill freaking Clinton (after that ******* campaigned against it. And Bill had the gall to actually comment on the great number of good paying American jobs the agreement would create.) That agreement flushed tens of millions of jobs, and no one on the planet benefited from it unless they happened to be a dirtbag politician or some kind of corporate raider.

People who think that the democrats are any kinder than republicans to the working folks are just foolish.

All politicians are lying sacks of ****. Trying to pretend either side gives a rat about any of us is just retarded.

Just curious what do you think your pay check would look like without the union? Thx

I'm not saying that airline unions are useless. Some good comes from them.

I am saying that politicians are all total lying POSs, and one party is just as eager to screw unionized airline labor as the other.

Nope, but if I was on the Committee for her hearing, I'd set up a couple of road cones in front of the Capitol steps, spring an unannounced parallel parking test for her in a new Escalade.

If she passes, I'd confirm her and head to a good Georgetown bar and drink $300/bottles scotch on the K Street lobbyists tab. (I would burn those bastad's for so much stuff and they'd get nothin in return) :D

Let's take a wild guess as to how well the test will go.

And what you are saying is completely and demonstrably incorrect.


Great post. Right on the money.

Man made global warming is science fiction. The predictions have been proven false time and time again. even if the nonsense were true the solutions are disgusting. Carbon taxes and carbon credits would destroy the industry.

Besides there are more importantly issues than just having a pro union government which doesn't explain is the us . Sorry if I don't want to vote for a party that thinks it's OK to give amnesty to illegals and think borders are obsolete. Or thinks there are more than two genders.

That is science fiction nonsense.

No the debate is not over. There is no scientific proof that so called climate change is man made.

Not if you live in a coastal city. We can see it happening.

Sure there is. And plenty of it. National Geographic recently devoted an entire magazine to you and the rest of the "unenlightened warriors" attacking science today. Champions of ignorance.

Tell that to the American Associate for the Advancement of Science, the American Chemical Society, the American Geophysical Union, American Medical Association, American Meteorological Society, American Physical Society, the Geological Society of America and the 200 other global scientific organisations listed here: https://www.opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php. They would all disagree with your statement.

Even Exxon acknowledges the role their product plays in the change. But all these pilots on APC know better than that! You wrote on this forum that there is overwhelmingly evidence to refute this science fiction nonsense, Canoepilot. Well let's have it. Prove us wrong.

The last time CO2 levels in the atmosphere were this high the ocean was 100 ft above its current height. I guess that canoe is gonna come in handy.

A previous poster recommended a sixth extinction; great book. Ocean acidification is scary stuff. Just look at the coral die off in the Great Barrier Reef this year.

The alarmists have continued to be wrong. Al gore said in the 90s in 2014 Miami would be underwater and the ice sheet gone. Well here we are in 2016 and the oceans have risen an inch and the ice sheet is it's largest ever.

The Antarctic ice sheet is at its highest level since 1979 (not ever), and here is a good explanation as to why that is not a good thing:

https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard...record-maximum

The Arctic sea ice, and Greenland Ice sheet have both declined.

Mean sea level has increased by 4-8 inches in the past century and the rate of rise over the past 20 years is more than double the rate of the preceding 80 years.

Sea Level Rise -- National Geographic

Listen to the scientists, not the American right wing political commentators.

There is no correlation between seas levels and the amount of co2 that had been produced.

I'm not debating the facts of whether or not climate change is real, but the politics of it are far scarier than the so called effects, which are certainly debatable. There is no doubt human activity causes unnatural change on the environment. But ultimately, if you continue down this road, climate deniers will likely have to be dealt with harshly, even if they had 100% proof the change was benign. Why? This video should explain it.

Cow farts.

We've just GOT to do something about them.

Did you know...?? Cow farts are even more dangerous than the fluoridation of our natural bodily fluids!

Thank god for the realists in the coastal cities of CA.

California Battles Cow Farts To Fight Global Warming


http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...s_3147217c.jpg

Returning to the thread topic.......



Did anyone notice that Trump just saved 1,400 blue-collar union jobs at Carrier, and he hasn't even been sworn in yet??



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The liberals will claim that Trump lost due to conceding on corporate tax breaks. The reality is that jobs move overseas in part because of that high tax rate.

And now for our $100.00 bonus question:

Is it hotter in the summer or colder in the winter? ;)

NAI is the epitome of globalism. Trump won on the nationalist , populist platform and for protecting American jobs and workers. If the administration allows flag of convenience model, It will be in blatant disregard of his electorate and we will know the entire presidency and promise of MAGA is a farce.

US airlines have welcomed President-elect Donald Trump’s nomination of Elaine Chao as the next transportation secretary.

Chao, if confirmed by the Senate, will succeed Anthony Foxx in the position.

Nicholas Calio, the chief executive of Airlines for America (A4A), calls Chao an “outstanding” choice.


Sooooo, if that doesn't make labor like us raise an eyebrow, I don't know what will. I would rather make more money than deny climate change, but that's just me.

In the meantime the top 1% continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

Exactly so. Which is a point already made in this discussion as relates to NAI.

Follow the logic...

1. Trump may be any number of things, but he is not an idiot. Just the opposite, in fact.

2. Every single person who has ever discounted Trump has lost. Personally, I'm convinced his "act" is just that, designed to cause people to consistently under-estimate him. For example, he is an absolute master at trolling emotional liberal snowflakes.

3. Hold the above 2 thoughts for a moment.

4. Obama made many campaign promises, chief among them "national unity" and "transparency in gov't", which he did not keep. Voters have utterly wrecked and ruined his party, in large part because of these failures. His willingness to sacrifice American workers for his ideology simply sealed the deal.

5. Trump's #1 campaign promise is "fair deal for the American worker(s)", ie. the middle class

6. See point #1

7. Trump knows he needs his core supporters, and what will happen to him even faster than it did to Obama if he fails to keep his main campaign promises

8. The incoming SoT, Elaine Chao, works for Trump, not the other way around.

9. See: Carrier plant jobs saved from going to Me-hi-coe

In other words, in order to believe...at this moment...that Chao will be bad for US airline labor re: NAI issues (ie. flag -of-convenience), one has to disregard the clear and undeniable logic above. Which is to say, that Trump is stupid enough to repeat the Obama administration's mistakes re: campaign promises, that he will allow Chao to undermine his core political support, and that he utterly fails to see the political risks here.

That said, given that his detractors completely mocked his ability to attain the WH and never took him seriously to begin with, it is completely foolish to think they know what they are talking about now. Credibility = 0

Yes. Liberals already are claiming just that.

Who cares.

The only realists among the democrats today are the ones admitting they aren't even a national party at this point. Which they aren't. A month after an election that took them completely by surprise, they are still mired in denial. And will be for some time to come, just as the GOP was following 2008. (See: Pelosi's re-election as House Minority leader, in spite of the damage to her party that she is responsible for.)

So the timetable is off a bit. There's still much being learned about the effects of warming and the role negative feed back loops will play. Does it make you feel somehow vindicated that the Maldives will exist as a nation for a few more years and that widespread starvation and disease in impoverished places like Bangladesh is pushed back a little bit? My take after much reading and thinking is that the start will be slow but once it really gets going - look out.

BOOM!!! Spin these facts Fox News. The problem with debating people like Canoe is they refuse to open their eyes and see. For whatever reason they choose to believe. Like the two dumba$$es I personally know who truly believe the world is six thousand years old.

Facts?


:rolleyes:

Clearly you missed the "My take" portion of his comment. In other words it was an opinion, not a fact.

You need to read "Retirement Heist" by Ellen E. Schultz

The loss of pensions in America is one of the single biggest detriments to society as a whole and is/has ruining/ruined American society far more than most people realize.


Typhoonpilot

That is indeed an excellent book. Here's more about it:

Retirement Heist - About the Book | Retirement Heist

Thanks Typhoon. I'm going to pick that book up.

Good luck believing all that because the 1% will continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

Who do you think Chao is more loyal to, Trump or her husband she sleeps with?

Trump is nothing more than a salesman and a con artist. Trump University is proof of that, along with his many other schemes. Trump also has decades of history against labor... and yet all of a sudden he's labor's friend?? Trump wanted to become president for his ego and his businesses. Roger Ailes and Steve Bannon got him elected, not Trump himself. Trump will not be engaged at all. History again proves that. The Republican Party will go nuts the next 4 years stacking the courts with anti-labor judges. So the next time your company is in bankruptcy from another Republican boom and bust, don't be surprised by the outcome.

(Carrier is nothing but a political stunt back by threats against United Technologies. That's not an economically healthy way to save jobs.)

I would honestly like to be proven wrong, but all indications point otherwise.

(As a side note, I think Bill Clinton had a big part helping Trump win. Waaaay back at the beginning when Trump shifted gears and started attacking McCain as a loser and not a war hero, I thought hmm, this doesn't make sense and yet he's getting a lot of press. Is he nuts or doing this on purpose? Another week of crazy attacks and I still pondered. Well, right before he started this tactic Trump had a long talk with Bill Clinton, a supreme strategist. I though ah Ha!, this is Bill's doing!! Bill didn't want Hillary president and overshadow his legacy. I strongly suspect Bill had a hand advising Hillary to use the "deplorables" in her speech knowing good well what it would do. Election 101, don't mock any of the other voters...all it does is encourage them to vote... So I think Roger Ailes, Steve Bannon and Bill Clinton got him elected. Oh, and the DNC. The DNC had a love affair for Hillary and quashed Trump's real opponent, Bernie.)

Anyway, enough of this thread for me. It'll go on forever and only history will prove anything. All I ask is for people to be honest in what they see going on around them and vote according in 4 years.

Toodles...

There is no timetable becUse it's alarmists fiction.

Yet the facts don't show human caused climate change. Warming is natural, the fact that the English are alive today as a culture is because of the war in northern Europe thousands of years ago.

Either way you can give up meat and share you wife's bath water but leave me out if your lunacy. I'm not changing my lifestyle.