LCC's What's a guy to do?
02-21-2007, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
You stay with your Union regional until you can make the jump to a Union carrier. Your survival isn't in question. By going to a B6, VX or Skybus POS airline, you're looking for a quick upgrade and some narrow body flight time.
Go to a cargo operator. Go overseas. Get a second job to make ends meet. When I started at my airline we had a 5 year B scale. I flew for the Reserves to pay my bills. I averaged a day and a half off a month.
But, I didn't go to a non-Union scumbag airline that was undercutting Union contract. That's because I knew to do so was to stab the profession in the back.
If you do that, you'd better pray there isn't someone like me sitting on your interview board. Because you'll get shown the door lickety split.
Go to a cargo operator. Go overseas. Get a second job to make ends meet. When I started at my airline we had a 5 year B scale. I flew for the Reserves to pay my bills. I averaged a day and a half off a month.
But, I didn't go to a non-Union scumbag airline that was undercutting Union contract. That's because I knew to do so was to stab the profession in the back.
If you do that, you'd better pray there isn't someone like me sitting on your interview board. Because you'll get shown the door lickety split.
What if there is no other way? A few get hired at Alaska from Horizon but eventually it becomes obvious who has a chance and who does not. Most will never make it to Alaska Airlines from Horizon Air.
A start up might come to SEA to give Alaska Air a run for the money and one day you will be the one sitting in the interview chair? In the end we all must do what we feel is required to survive.
In my case I knew that there was little chance for an average Joe like me to make the transition to Alaska Air unless I took some chances. Why isn't working for a non-ALPA regional not a stab in the back? Horizon Air went out of their way to avoid being in the same union as AS.
SkyHigh
02-21-2007, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
You stay with your Union regional until you can make the jump to a Union carrier. Your survival isn't in question. By going to a B6, VX or Skybus POS airline, you're looking for a quick upgrade and some narrow body flight time.
Go to a cargo operator. Go overseas. Get a second job to make ends meet. When I started at my airline we had a 5 year B scale. I flew for the Reserves to pay my bills. I averaged a day and a half off a month.
But, I didn't go to a non-Union scumbag airline that was undercutting Union contract. That's because I knew to do so was to stab the profession in the back.
If you do that, you'd better pray there isn't someone like me sitting on your interview board. Because you'll get shown the door lickety split.
Go to a cargo operator. Go overseas. Get a second job to make ends meet. When I started at my airline we had a 5 year B scale. I flew for the Reserves to pay my bills. I averaged a day and a half off a month.
But, I didn't go to a non-Union scumbag airline that was undercutting Union contract. That's because I knew to do so was to stab the profession in the back.
If you do that, you'd better pray there isn't someone like me sitting on your interview board. Because you'll get shown the door lickety split.
If you ask me a large general union(ALPA) is a load of crap! THe only unions that are half decent are the in house ones. It is alright for a group of employees in a company to organize together.
Unions can also destroy a company. Canadian airlines was basicly killed of by their lazy ass pilot group and their union. They did whatever they wanted and got away with it. Pilots always booking off, and low productivity. And heres a kicker as the company is bleeding off money their pilots say no to pay cuts or layoffs, so they had hundreds of pilots NOT flying at all for months well being paid the big bucks.
But then again you can have good unions like AirCanadas in house union that basicly only did stuff when the pilot group was under attack... like the hostile take over back in the late 90's or the merger senority fight going on now. But they also cooperated with managment all the time, knew when to make sacrifices and its pilots wernt always going union union union.... screw the company.
The point is yes unions can be good, but unions are not always a good thing
02-21-2007, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
What if there is no other way? A few get hired at Alaska from Horizon but eventually it becomes obvious who has a chance and who does not. Most will never make it to Alaska Airlines from Horizon Air.
A start up might come to SEA to give Alaska Air a run for the money and one day you will be the one sitting in the interview chair? In the end we all must do what we feel is required to survive.
In my case I knew that there was little chance for an average Joe like me to make the transition to Alaska Air unless I took some chances. Why isn't working for a non-ALPA regional not a stab in the back? Horizon Air went out of their way to avoid being in the same union as AS.
SkyHigh
A start up might come to SEA to give Alaska Air a run for the money and one day you will be the one sitting in the interview chair? In the end we all must do what we feel is required to survive.
In my case I knew that there was little chance for an average Joe like me to make the transition to Alaska Air unless I took some chances. Why isn't working for a non-ALPA regional not a stab in the back? Horizon Air went out of their way to avoid being in the same union as AS.
SkyHigh
The point skyhigh is not to limit yourself to just one Airline.
Alaska is a great first choice, but if one really wants to fly, one must be willing to fly for Delta, Ual, CAL as second and 3rd choices.
Limiting yourself to just 1 Airline only (like you did) really reduces your chances for success and a career as a pilot.
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02-21-2007, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
It's you're. Not jumping on you since I write like a 2yr old that's the only word missused that drives me crazy lol.
02-22-2007, 07:41 AM
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I agree
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
The point skyhigh is not to limit yourself to just one Airline.
Alaska is a great first choice, but if one really wants to fly, one must be willing to fly for Delta, Ual, CAL as second and 3rd choices.
Limiting yourself to just 1 Airline only (like you did) really reduces your chances for success and a career as a pilot.
Alaska is a great first choice, but if one really wants to fly, one must be willing to fly for Delta, Ual, CAL as second and 3rd choices.
Limiting yourself to just 1 Airline only (like you did) really reduces your chances for success and a career as a pilot.
The majors are an exclusive country club. Nepotism and military connections reign supreme. Alaska Airlines is the only company that would take pause for a guy with an Alaskan Bush pilot background.
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02-22-2007, 08:06 AM
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Velociopede
Velociopede is a rare example of the classic arrogant union guy. The airlines use to be full of them. Most have been beaten into submission or exterminated through mergers, pay cuts and furloughs.
The characteristics usually are; egocentric nature, legends in their own minds, lack of empathy, bullyish threats, "Ive got mine"-ism and a healthy helping of denial. They come from the "in" crowd at the country club and usually have gotten in through a parental legacy or high connection of some sort.
I may have made some mistakes in my career but I didn't have a father, uncle or squadron leader to lend a helping hand. I had to go it alone and made the best choices that were available to me. Had I stayed at Horizon Air I would be still there flying next to the other guys from my class who didn't have an "in" at the majors. I am forced to make my own way in the world and if that means taking a position at a undercutting start up then that is what I and the rest of the shut outs will have to do. Angry insults only steel the resolve even more. Why should we go without so that a few spoiled brats at the majors can afford a beach house?
The winds of change are undeniable. Jetblue, Virgin, Allegiant, Spirit and even the regionals are all gunning to take business from the establishment. The ranks of those comapnies are filled with rejected nobodies like myself who have little sympathy after being kicked to the curb by privileged union bully's.
I wish I had the opportunity to be on reserve for a well respected major and being forced to fly on the side to make ends meet. As a bush pilot and forest service pilot I would get perhaps 14 days off in 6 months.
We all should savor these short sighted comments because one day soon we may not have many of the old school left.
SKyHigh
The characteristics usually are; egocentric nature, legends in their own minds, lack of empathy, bullyish threats, "Ive got mine"-ism and a healthy helping of denial. They come from the "in" crowd at the country club and usually have gotten in through a parental legacy or high connection of some sort.
I may have made some mistakes in my career but I didn't have a father, uncle or squadron leader to lend a helping hand. I had to go it alone and made the best choices that were available to me. Had I stayed at Horizon Air I would be still there flying next to the other guys from my class who didn't have an "in" at the majors. I am forced to make my own way in the world and if that means taking a position at a undercutting start up then that is what I and the rest of the shut outs will have to do. Angry insults only steel the resolve even more. Why should we go without so that a few spoiled brats at the majors can afford a beach house?
The winds of change are undeniable. Jetblue, Virgin, Allegiant, Spirit and even the regionals are all gunning to take business from the establishment. The ranks of those comapnies are filled with rejected nobodies like myself who have little sympathy after being kicked to the curb by privileged union bully's.
I wish I had the opportunity to be on reserve for a well respected major and being forced to fly on the side to make ends meet. As a bush pilot and forest service pilot I would get perhaps 14 days off in 6 months.
We all should savor these short sighted comments because one day soon we may not have many of the old school left.
SKyHigh
02-22-2007, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Velociopede is a rare example of the classic arrogant union guy. The airlines use to be full of them. Most have been beaten into submission or exterminated through mergers, pay cuts and furloughs.
The characteristics usually are; egocentric nature, legends in their own minds, lack of empathy, bullyish threats, "Ive got mine"-ism and a healthy helping of denial. They come from the "in" crowd at the country club and usually have gotten in through a parental legacy or high connection of some sort.
I may have made some mistakes in my career but I didn't have a father, uncle or squadron leader to lend a helping hand. I had to go it alone and made the best choices that were available to me. Had I stayed at Horizon Air I would be still there flying next to the other guys from my class who didn't have an "in" at the majors. I am forced to make my own way in the world and if that means taking a position at a undercutting start up then that is what I and the rest of the shut outs will have to do. Angry insults only steel the resolve even more. Why should we go without so that a few spoiled brats at the majors can afford a beach house?
The winds of change are undeniable. Jetblue, Virgin, Allegiant, Spirit and even the regionals are all gunning to take business from the establishment. The ranks of those comapnies are filled with rejected nobodies like myself who have little sympathy after being kicked to the curb by privileged union bully's.
I wish I had the opportunity to be on reserve for a well respected major and being forced to fly on the side to make ends meet. As a bush pilot and forest service pilot I would get perhaps 14 days off in 6 months.
We all should savor these short sighted comments because one day soon we may not have many of the old school left.
SKyHigh
The characteristics usually are; egocentric nature, legends in their own minds, lack of empathy, bullyish threats, "Ive got mine"-ism and a healthy helping of denial. They come from the "in" crowd at the country club and usually have gotten in through a parental legacy or high connection of some sort.
I may have made some mistakes in my career but I didn't have a father, uncle or squadron leader to lend a helping hand. I had to go it alone and made the best choices that were available to me. Had I stayed at Horizon Air I would be still there flying next to the other guys from my class who didn't have an "in" at the majors. I am forced to make my own way in the world and if that means taking a position at a undercutting start up then that is what I and the rest of the shut outs will have to do. Angry insults only steel the resolve even more. Why should we go without so that a few spoiled brats at the majors can afford a beach house?
The winds of change are undeniable. Jetblue, Virgin, Allegiant, Spirit and even the regionals are all gunning to take business from the establishment. The ranks of those comapnies are filled with rejected nobodies like myself who have little sympathy after being kicked to the curb by privileged union bully's.
I wish I had the opportunity to be on reserve for a well respected major and being forced to fly on the side to make ends meet. As a bush pilot and forest service pilot I would get perhaps 14 days off in 6 months.
We all should savor these short sighted comments because one day soon we may not have many of the old school left.
SKyHigh
Best Regards,
fbh
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