Delta tired of unprofessional females
01-15-2017, 07:11 PM
#91
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I think we should all find our safe spaces for a while. I'm offended by all the micro-aggressions I sense.
01-15-2017, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I remain opposed to casual in the work place. The better we look, the higher opinion the public will have of us. If we look like we just fell off the freaking garbage truck and stumbled around until we finally found an airport, then we don't have any right to expect respect.
01-15-2017, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Men already have very restricted grooming standards. No earrings, very conservative hair styles, and conservative side burn rules. What were women's grooming standards before this came out? Were there even any hair standards?
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01-15-2017, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Virtually every airline mandates hair for females and males including flight attendants. If we did not have a union we would not even be having this discussion since in the vast majority of companies with 6 figure jobs non conformance results in no promotion or dismissal. I believe if a company hires you and sends you a paycheck every month they have some right to demand certain levels of performance and appearance. You certainly have the right to disagree with company policy and vote with your feet. I am somewhat surprised you did not choose a company with policies more aligned with your beliefs.
01-15-2017, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
Wait,...In one paragraph you claim I omit the past, but in the next you say I admitted to it...which is it?
You'll probably argue with this judges findings too, but here ya go. Plenty more where that came from, but something tells me you won't 'concede'.
"The judge noted that "[i]n short, in terms of minority and female employment, United is not the company it was eighteen years ago" and that "all of the parties, including the EEOC, now affirm that since 1988 United has been hiring minority and female pilots at ratios which consistently exceed application ratios."
https://www.nap.edu/read/5433/chapter/7#117
Since your question extends beyond aviation (society/workplace), perhaps a little study of the Supreme Court Ruling on the (il)legality of Affirmative Action is in order. You can start with the University of Michigan.
Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court - CNN.com
You'll probably argue with this judges findings too, but here ya go. Plenty more where that came from, but something tells me you won't 'concede'.
"The judge noted that "[i]n short, in terms of minority and female employment, United is not the company it was eighteen years ago" and that "all of the parties, including the EEOC, now affirm that since 1988 United has been hiring minority and female pilots at ratios which consistently exceed application ratios."
https://www.nap.edu/read/5433/chapter/7#117
Since your question extends beyond aviation (society/workplace), perhaps a little study of the Supreme Court Ruling on the (il)legality of Affirmative Action is in order. You can start with the University of Michigan.
Michigan's ban on affirmative action upheld by Supreme Court - CNN.com
I'll ask again. Show me legislature that hinders caucasian males from receiving equal treatment in society and/or the workplace. Show me that straight caucasian male pilots are being hired at a lower percentage than their minority/female peers, based on the country's demographics..
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01-15-2017, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
That's the name they chose back in 1924.
It shows attention to detail on a resume.
Would you address your UAL app with Yonited?
Would you apply to AA with the name Merican' Airlines?
Would you apply to Alaska with the name Alaskan Airlines?
It shows attention to detail on a resume.
Would you address your UAL app with Yonited?
Would you apply to AA with the name Merican' Airlines?
Would you apply to Alaska with the name Alaskan Airlines?
01-15-2017, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dawgdriver
Enough already with the history lesson. This may have been a good ol' boy selection process in the past, but HR and legal departments have long since abolished that. This career field is now populated by entrants that elect to be here. If there are institutional constraints against any group, it's certainly not minorities and females. And please spare me the speech about financial/social advantage of white males.
I also did not mention anything about any financial/social benefits of being a white male. I simply said that most aviation jobs are currently held by white men. Is that not correct?
You obviously have some other bones to pick if you are coming to these conclusions without me saying anything of the sort.
01-15-2017, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats
Popcorn is probably the most apt name on this forum.
I grabbed some popcorn myself and settled in to read the inevitable clash of idealism vs realism.
I grabbed some popcorn myself and settled in to read the inevitable clash of idealism vs realism.
01-15-2017, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by popcorn
Some of the responses here. Wow, just wow. These are not the things adults who fly airplanes should be saying.
Deltas obsession with hat wearing is the joke of the industry....
Deltas obsession with hat wearing is the joke of the industry....
Originally Posted by popcorn
I don't work for Delta.
Pop,
If you don't like the fact that Delta requires us to wear our hats, don't come to work here. That's the beauty of this country. You can choose who you work for.
Go somewhere else, or stay where you are, and you might find that while you are joking about hats, you are also complaining about work rules, profit sharing, pay rates, and schedules.
I remember after 9/11, I got bumped from DC-9 captain back to 757 FO, and after concessions, taking a ~50% pay cut and crappy work rules. But hey! -- Hats became optional and they allowed us to wear leather jackets. I wasn't impressed.
When looking at the big picture, you might find that hat's and hair styles are small potatoes. But, if you want that to be your issue, go for it.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you get, or are at, that dream job where you don't have to be laughed at because you are wearing a hat.
01-15-2017, 09:05 PM
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Is this a serious post? Does DAL really require female pilots to have their hair in a ponytail? Seems kinda hard to believe.
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