Net effect of NWA/DAL Merger on pilot jobs
02-24-2008, 07:49 AM
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Net effect of NWA/DAL Merger on pilot jobs
Any thoughts on whether there will be growth in pilot jobs at the new combined NWA/DAL or do you feel there will be fourloughs and hiring stoppage in 2008? Please try to stick to plausible facts and stay away from wishful thinkings.
02-24-2008, 07:57 AM
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Since both airlines are currently hiring pilots--800 to 850--as separate entities, I would guess that any over lap/surplus would come in the form of a brief hiring freeze. I'm sure any agreement that is hammered out between the respective airlines and ALPA will include some furlough protection. Just a guess, but I doubt there will be a net negative, unless we see a very deep recession. In which case, it's any body's guess.
02-24-2008, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Zach
There weren't any furloughs with the Airways/America West merger, and they are hiring now too.
02-24-2008, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldfreightdawg
Since both airlines are currently hiring pilots--800 to 850--as separate entities, I would guess that any over lap/surplus would come in the form of a brief hiring freeze. I'm sure any agreement that is hammered out between the respective airlines and ALPA will include some furlough protection. Just a guess, but I doubt there will be a net negative, unless we see a very deep recession. In which case, it's any body's guess.
I am also little concerned with what may be the strategy of NWA/DAL for their domestic routes. I don't want to see more relegation of mainline flying to bigger and bigger RJs at the regional level. Don't want to be stuck at a regional even if it is one of the better ones flying newer aircraft.
02-24-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
That's a very good point. I am just wondering if the major growth in the international sector for both the NWA and Delta will more than make up for any attrition due to retiring of DC9s and other aging and no longer economical aircraft at both DAL and NWA.
I am also little concerned with what may be the strategy of NWA/DAL for their domestic routes. I don't want to see more relegation of mainline flying to bigger and bigger RJs at the regional level. Don't want to be stuck at a regional even if it is one of the better ones flying newer aircraft.
I am also little concerned with what may be the strategy of NWA/DAL for their domestic routes. I don't want to see more relegation of mainline flying to bigger and bigger RJs at the regional level. Don't want to be stuck at a regional even if it is one of the better ones flying newer aircraft.
As you know everything is this industry is subject to change. The good thing is that NWA has a decent scope that caps the number of Regional aircraft until the Mainline fleet grows in NET aircraft, not replacement.
We shall see....
02-24-2008, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
That's true, and I hope that is the case with the NWA/DAL merger. But, NWA CAs have told me that because NWA is planning to park DC9s and DAL has aging fleet, they foresee furloughs for new hires. I do hope that is not the case.
And DAL's oldest fleet maybe the MD, but we're getting new MD90 off the market, and the 767 is still a relatively young fleet.
DL's hiring is based on a significant int'l growth, and it demands more crew per plane than domestic staffing. Unless DL plans to cut back on its int'l growth (which ain't gonna happen), you won't see any slow down in hiring for the near future.
02-24-2008, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
Well, our NWA counterpart has argued the case that because they are already ultra-low staffed, and the DC9 removal is already planned in the staffing model, therefore all hiring are based on growth, retirement/attrition.
And DAL's oldest fleet maybe the MD, but we're getting new MD90 off the market, and the 767 is still a relatively young fleet.
DL's hiring is based on a significant int'l growth, and it demands more crew per plane than domestic staffing. Unless DL plans to cut back on its int'l growth (which ain't gonna happen), you won't see any slow down in hiring for the near future.
And DAL's oldest fleet maybe the MD, but we're getting new MD90 off the market, and the 767 is still a relatively young fleet.
DL's hiring is based on a significant int'l growth, and it demands more crew per plane than domestic staffing. Unless DL plans to cut back on its int'l growth (which ain't gonna happen), you won't see any slow down in hiring for the near future.
02-24-2008, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by quaileman
There is also the possibility that many senior NWA guys would be bought out in the merger thus helping aid the pilot situation in regards to relative seniority, and career expectations.
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