So Eric if or when Cal and Ual get together how would you suggest we integrate?

Pick one or the other
 

You guys can argue till the cows come home, your not going to agree who's method is fairer. Its going to be arbitrated. Get control of the situation, agree to how its arbitrated so some numb*** can't/doesn't create the fiasco that is the USAir/American West merger. I suggest you convince an Arbitrator(s) to choose one or the others list. No weeks/months long drawn out affair where some guy bills millions of dollars to write a list that everyone hates, blames ALPA, and starts a civil war. :(

to the Uh...no, yes you kind of did it sounds. from my take the merger needed you to change the scope to allow the nwa pilots to fly the 330/747 as someone stated. you could have said yes as long as the contract that was approved by both airlines is implamented for both but instead you said all you have to do is give us the benefits. you guys had control of that life raft and said only delta guys are allowed. you still don't have a SLI and now you don't have a joint contract. could that change...hopefully.

as with usair/aw, when that decision came out everyone that I ran into felt that usair got hosed and yes this included delta pilots that I know and have run into. this isn't apples to oranges it's more like red apples vs. green apples. some of the same issues but not all. I just find it interesting how points of view can change when someone is directly involved or not.

as for who I work for it's the airlines...what's in it for me is how it affects the industry as a whole. I don't see a potential whipsaw within your new delta as entertainment. I see it as stupidity and extreme shortsidedness.

It's nice you point out that I stroke multiple flames and not just yours;)

well maybe your name says it all, DelDah....priceless.

I think your pilot groups have already created dissention within yourselves you don't need me for that. by the way how is asking a question instigating dissention?

I guess you should be the one to know the scope section considering it's slowly dwindling away...:rolleyes:

merge so that everyone feels they got hosed. :(

if you do and it's on the board (which I'm sure it would be) I'll throw my 2 cents in.

Are you a pilot or did you just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

I like to know who my adversary is? I'm an ATL 757/767 FO with Delta. What and who are you?

I always loved that line.

I'm an airline pilot here in the US. I've been an FO and a CA. why would it matter who I work for or what I fly?

The problem is I am not your adversary but I will call things out that I see as bs or lopsided and I've ripped on my company as well on these boards.

There was never a joint contract. There was a tentitive agreement contingent upon getting a seniority list done. No SLI and no joint contract. We did not get the SLI done so the TA on a contract was thrown out. The company only agreed to the contract based on costs savings in having the SLI list done upfront. No SLI no contract. There was not a new contract put in its place. DALPA put a side letter in place(LOA 19). It will only be in effect until a new joint contract is negotiated with the company. That process will start right away.

Don't compare this to US Air / Amer West because it's just not the same. US Air was a sinking ship and should be glad America West came to their rescue. They can |3 ! t c h all they want but they could've easily been out of a job and starting over at the bottom of another air carrier's seniority list. Neither Delta, nor NWA, are in that position. Yes, things are tough. Yes, they are probably going to get tougher. But both companies have been solid even in these trying times. I hope we can work things out. A rising tide lifts all boats!

Good luck to us all.

The keyword is "could"... Unless you have a signed agreement that says all NWA pilots that reaches age 60 will retire, it won't hold out in a court of law.

Also, you sound like DAL pilots are all in their 20s, and the NWA pilots are all in their 50s. Nwa has a spur of retirement (supposedly those who retire at 60) in the next 5-10 years, but after that, DAL will catch up and surpass in about 15 years from now. So any logical person will see that for an average newhire of both airline, this see-saw will balance out in the long term.