DAL/NW Labor issues Q & A
04-15-2008, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Please take note. This is the writing of a fellow ALPA/soon to be DAl pilot. He is level headed and sees the big picture. In a world of $142/barrel oil we are in a contest of whoever has the last dollar in this business wins. Separately, we had $3 billion + in cash. Together it is near $7 billion. That buys us a seat to the last dance.
What do you have against DAL guys anyways? You clog EWR we clog JFK. Are you upset that you have to stay at 12000' to SHIPP intersection because of departing JFK traffic, or is your wife a DAL FA? Go watch some Rev. Wright sermons and relax!
04-15-2008, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Thanks for the honest words and we look forward to working with you and together with you and your group.
04-15-2008, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
04-15-2008, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
As a fellow NWA pilot, I could not have said it better myself. We have had years of worthless arguing between RED and GREEN, and hope we can avoid any DAL vs NWA debates.
I am slated to retire as number 6 at NWA, and know that will not happen as a combined group. I am cautiously optimistic that we can reach an agreement that will satisfy my expectations.
Best of luck to all.
04-15-2008, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
04-15-2008, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy1
As a fellow NWA pilot, I could not have said it better myself. We have had years of worthless arguing between RED and GREEN, and hope we can avoid any DAL vs NWA debates.
I am slated to retire as number 6 at NWA, and know that will not happen as a combined group. I am cautiously optimistic that we can reach an agreement that will satisfy my expectations.
Best of luck to all.
I am slated to retire as number 6 at NWA, and know that will not happen as a combined group. I am cautiously optimistic that we can reach an agreement that will satisfy my expectations.
Best of luck to all.
04-15-2008, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by staplegun
It's an LOA...
Did you even read the rest of the thread before you started pontificating?
Kevin
Did you even read the rest of the thread before you started pontificating?
Kevin
Don't think so and yes I love to pontificate.
04-15-2008, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
Well as a 13 year NWA 320 FO here is my take on what has transpired. DAL needed contractual changes from their pilots. The DALPA negoitiated a LOA that improves the working conditions for its pilots. It also was able to extract a stake in the company, the way I see it is good for them! NWA didn't have the language that DAL had and so they were the ones who had a dog in that hunt. I personally think that if the shoes had been reversed NWA APLA would have done the same thing (or I would like to hope). I do not feel like DALPA went behind the NWA guys backs as they were the ones with a contract that needed changed in order to continue. I also feel that anything the DALPA got will eventually flow for the NWA pilots. So I see this as a plus not a negative. I would have loved for both sides to have come together and closed the differences 6 weeks ago but at least there was some gain on the working conditions we will all be under shortly.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Now that the merger is announced it is time for the DALPA and NWA ALPA to get back together and come to an agreement that benefits the entire pilot group as a whole. There are always going to be guys who feel screwed but hopefully the final product will benefit us all. Arbitration is never a good thing so hopefully it will not go down that path.
Yup. Lets just get a few beers eat some good food and work this crud out. I sorta like that commercial on TV with the firemen sitting in congress and just working all the "hard" issues out in like five seconds.
I for one really don't think that DALPA was out to screw anyone. They just set the bar a little higher for the next round. The union sent something out that also said that the combined pilot working agreement, that both NW and Delta have to work out with the company now that the two unions are going to combine, could take some time. The four years of this agreement simply gave a small contractual raise every year to keep us up with inflation during this period.
I think that as soon as we have a combined list, the NW guys will have the same bennies as the Delta guys. This is a good deal for all of us as long as the MEC's can work out the various seniority issues.
I hope that the mud slinging and the name calling are brief. The FU Delta stickers are not going to help by the way.
Slinky
04-15-2008, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
I wouldn't even respond to him, staplegun, because all 757drvr wants to do is to show how mighty his airline is, and how lowly we are.
That's alright, when the time comes, I will still wear my uniform and my hat proudly to walk side by side with my brothers/sisters from CAL.
That's alright, when the time comes, I will still wear my uniform and my hat proudly to walk side by side with my brothers/sisters from CAL.
What I'm amazed at is how little you sold yourself out for and how you did it without the input of the NWA Pilots. Nothing more or nothing less.
I'm hopeful that we, (CAL and UAL), will work together and surpass your 4 year deal and set the bar even higher.
Delta has always been a great place to work and back in 1987 I would have sold my eyeteeth to get on there. My biggest gripe is that I don't think you should have settled for anything less than the original agreement.
Fare increases, over the last year, have countered most of the increase in fuel and if you'd just demand it, your management team would pass on the several bucks it would cost to secure an industry leading agreement.
If, however, in several months the new Delta signs an even more comprehensive and leading contract, I'll get on here and apologize to each and every one of you.
I don't see that happening and quite frankly, I think you're stuck with this crappy T/A for the next four years.
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04-15-2008, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
What do you have against DAL guys anyways? You clog EWR we clog JFK. Are you upset that you have to stay at 12000' to SHIPP intersection because of departing JFK traffic, or is your wife a DAL FA? Go watch some Rev. Wright sermons and relax!
Read my post above.
