This is basically the holy grail of NWA's negotiation strategy. However, I understand that many of the 60-year-olds who would "never stay a day past 60" due to their frozen pensions, are staying...whether to get a potential equity payout or whatever.

If those guys continue to stick around in significant numbers, the arbitrator will take note.

Probably best not to overplay this perceived advantage.

ExAF, Can you tell me how you feel that LOA 19 pressures the NWA pilots. It does not effect their pay or working conditions so it can't be that. It protects their international flying that would other wise have to be cut after DCC to stay within international code share block hours so it can't be that. What pressure is LOA 19 going to put on the NWA pilots?

So far this year we have a little over 80% of the age 60 guys leaving. Most of the guys staying are pilots that do not have a large number of years with NWA thus their frozen DB plan is not all that great.

NWA was hit with an EEOC lawsuit in the past thus NWA hired guys that were between 40-50 back in the mid to late 90's.

really...if you don't see it just reverse the senerio. for some reason I think you guys do see it but just don't want to acknowledge it.

if you tabled LOA 19 until the SLI was done then I would agree there is no leverage. if LOA was just part of your everyday contract why not implament it now. it's being held over your head to agree to the merger and it's being held over nwa's head in regards to the SLI. (bend and you'll get it sooner rather than later)

all of us in this industry will soon see who really is being honest in regards to wanting this done by the merger date. delta said it's not coming off of the relative seniority and nwa didn't sound like they were budging off of their last offer (whatever that is). you've got about 8 months.

nwa didn't sound like they were budging off of their last offer (whatever that is).

And just why is it that we don't know "whatever that is"?

does it really matter? neither side thinks the other's offer is fair.

Sailing,

This is nearly the identical post you sent to me and to every NWA guy that says LOA 19 puts huge pressure on NWA pilots. After all I have said and others have said, are you still unable to understand? Are we all just hopelessly misinformed?

Carl

I think that is it exactly. With the roles reversed DALPA would be seeing it clearly.

Carl

Of course it doesn't matter. It does seem a bit odd that some are so adament to argue over something they have no knowledge of other than vague implication. (someone told me to be mad so I am!!!) Just an observation.......

I was at the roadshow the other day and will post a review when I have a little more time. The LOA is not pressuring NWA into anything. This "merger" is an acquisition. It is going to happen whether we have an LOA or not. If we have an LOA perhaps the merger will allow the collective agreement between both groups to be better than what LOA is on its own. I believe it is meant as a foundation as such. But make no mistake, this merger will happen and voting no for LOA 19 will have no impact on its progression.