We may have a JCBA for approval, but this deal is far from done. Lazarowich broke faith during your roadshows. The deal in February was supposed to be confidential and non-precedential, only shown when all 4 components were complete.

Instead, your MEC Admiinistration went on the road talking two-faced. They told us that the economic TA was never presented to your MEC, yet told your pilots that was the TA achieved. Lazarowich's committee then put out incomplete and BS seniority list proposals, ignoring the ones that he had proferred disadvantageous to Delta pilots.

Now we get to go back and "negotiate" with a man who has proven he's worse than management, and a committee with no honor. Hopefully some smarter minds on your MEC will prevail and you'll send real negotiators like you did in March, not failed arbitrators like you elected.

By the way, how did the Redbook-Greenbook arbitration last Monday turn out? It's only been, what, 21 years?:rolleyes:

Christ, here we go again.

I completely forgot that the Delta MEC is angelic and has never done anything self promoting.
For the sake of those Delta Pilots who want to move on put a lid on it will ya?

Carl, Most of what I posted is public news. There were around 100 DC-9's on 1 Jan 08. There will be only 61 on 1 Jan 09 according to NWA's published fleet plan. There were 160 nines not to long ago. The 747's leaving in the next 5 years has been put out at several times. You might want to take a look at the specs on a 777LR. It can carry more cargo then the 400 on the long flights. It does not carry as many people but those it carries are at a much lower fuel burn. The overall flight will be more profitable. Old aircraft get retired and replaced. Delta has delivery slots for 777's to replace all the 400's and grow internationally. I would love to see the 400's stay. It can only help me and it keeps all those Captains from bidding down on top of me. Sadly I don't think that it is going to happen. Delta has also always maintained that they need at least 30 aircraft of a specific type to operate them without a huge cost penalty a small fleet entails. We came very close to parking the 777's a few years back for that reason.

There's no "we" here. You're not involved. Go play with your new "Star Alliance" friends. We'll deal with our new marriage without your help stirring the pot.:cool:

In response to selcall,s post ,seniority did not help out worth a damn at PA ,and as my fellow travelers at DAL will tell you ,we were acquired not merged.
I was always under the impression that the comp . who initiates said merger schould take the brunt of whatever reductions transpire ie equip cuts etc .It would cut down on these so called EGO mergers .But you guys want this merger anyway so go ahead and knock yourselfs out and I hope it works out in the long run ,but this timing is off with the current economy cycle.



Nearly all men can stand adversity but if you want to test a mans character give him power.

OK, you're getting a LITTLE bit better with you saying that you "think" it won't happen. In your previous posts you state unequivocally that the DC-9's and 747's are going. Keep trying to get better with that whole accuracy thing, eh!

Carl

Interesting since now he is all gung ho to get an SLI NOW that NWA will receive all the benefits derived from LOA 19. Now that DALPA's hands are virtually tied to arbitration, and NWALPA are getting all the benefits of LOA 19 I am pretty sure you are right, that he would have walked. So DAL pilots will only get a 5% pay increase instead of 7%... Question for you now... what incentive does NWALPA have to negotiate an SLI?

What an utterly pathetic post. Are you a lifetime member of the Flat Earth Society or just a charter member?

Your post notwithstanding, I'm pleased to see that people of your temperament are a minority here. This deal is probably going to happen now. And it will happen in spite of people like you who stir the pot with accusations that are completely made up in your "head."

Carl

There is no LOA 19 without this merger closing. Do you understand that? So with that in mind, how is it that only NWA pilots get the benefits of LOA 19?

You mean DAL is not capable of agreeing to an SLI outside of arbitration? Wow...I wonder why that would be?

No need to repeat myself here.

The incentive is simple, and only one word: RISK. Anyone who has been through arbitration knows that it is one hell of a big crap shoot. Absolutely anything can happen. Could go straight Date of Hire, could go straight mathematical ratio. Nobody knows. That's our incentive, and I'll bet it's DALPA's incentive too. You guys haven't had an arbitrated decision since Northeast Airlines. We have, and there are NEVER any winners.

Carl

That's not what I said. I said that NWA now receives the benefits of LOA 19, (I should have added: just as DAL pilots do).



[/quote]You mean DAL is not capable of agreeing to an SLI outside of arbitration? Wow...I wonder why that would be?[/quote]

No... I don't think NWA is capable of doing that. It is in your genes.



[/quote]The incentive is simple, and only one word: RISK. Anyone who has been through arbitration knows that it is one hell of a big crap shoot. Absolutely anything can happen. Could go straight Date of Hire, could go straight mathematical ratio. Nobody knows. That's our incentive, and I'll bet it's DALPA's incentive too. You guys haven't had an arbitrated decision since Northeast Airlines. We have, and there are NEVER any winners.[/quote]

This is confusing to me. You guys opened with a desire to go straight to arbitration. Now you tell me that it isn't desirable. So what has changed? I'll tell you... you will soon have our contract. So now you have nothing to lose. Not much of a crap shoot for you really. That's what we have been saying since February, but that apparently fell on deaf ears (as far as your negotiators were concerned) So I'll ask you again... what is your incentive? I believe you have only one at this point.