I would not bet on it !!:)

You mean DAL is not capable of agreeing to an SLI outside of arbitration? Wow...I wonder why that would be?[/quote]

No... I don't think NWA is capable of doing that. It is in your genes.



[/quote]The incentive is simple, and only one word: RISK. Anyone who has been through arbitration knows that it is one hell of a big crap shoot. Absolutely anything can happen. Could go straight Date of Hire, could go straight mathematical ratio. Nobody knows. That's our incentive, and I'll bet it's DALPA's incentive too. You guys haven't had an arbitrated decision since Northeast Airlines. We have, and there are NEVER any winners.[/quote]

This is confusing to me. You guys opened with a desire to go straight to arbitration. Now you tell me that it isn't desirable. So what has changed? I'll tell you... you will soon have our contract. So now you have nothing to lose. Not much of a crap shoot for you really. That's what we have been saying since February, but that apparently fell on deaf ears (as far as your negotiators were concerned) So I'll ask you again... what is your incentive? I believe you have only one at this point.[/QUOTE]

You are 100%

We are too nice at Delta. I am all for shooting this deal down. I am sure without the merger we will get something better than LOA19 in a few years.:)

Anything to me is better than a merger. Just do not have any trust in anything good ever coming out of this merger but animosity for each other that would last a career

Hoping the DOJ or Pilots somehow end this freakshow:(

I am hoping that this merger will be a go as I feel it will benefit ALL of us. That ebing said I personally feel like I will loose out on the SLI. I have been at NWA over 13 years so a ratio is not in my favor. But even with a ratio (which I feel is what is going to happen) I think this merger is positive. The joint agreement does benefit my paycheck after DCC but that can go away as fast as it came. senority is forever but my hope and opinion is that the benefits of the combined entity will outweigh any potential loss in senority.

How do you do that multiple quote thing?

OK, that clarification helps a little bit.

What a nice thing to say. I can just feel the warmth right through my computer screen.

The reason your so confused is because you believe in an utterly discredited premise. NWALPA did not open with a desire to go to arbitration, we ended with that desire when the last DALPA proposal apparently was a ratio that included all of DAL's future aircraft options and none of NWA's future aircraft options. I say "apparently" because this is what I've heard from my reps - nobody has seen the actual document. NWALPA felt that left them in a position of desiring arbitration as a way of completing a JPWA while kicking the can down the road regarding an SLI. NWALPA felt that we couldn't possibly do any worse in arbitration. It was DALPA that said no, ended the negotiations, and signed LOA 19. That's what happened. All of this is in writing from the particular groups involved.

There's nothing inconsistent about NWALPA's position (and mine) on arbitration. It's a terrible crap shoot, unless the other side demands an SLI that is most likely worse than any arbitrator has ever decided.

Your arrogance is overwhelming. It's not YOUR contract ace, it's OUR contract. And it's only OUR contract if the merger actually happens. Would you please get over yourself.

DALPA's last SLI position did not fall on deaf ears. Fortunately for NWA pilots, their ears and eyes were wide open. There is 100% agreement at NWA that we should not have signed off on that proposal. As I've said earlier, now that the old DALPA position of a highly skewed ratio is apparently off the table, there is tremendous incentive for NWALPA to negotiate an SLI outside of arbitration. Why? Because an arbitrator might agree with a highly skewed ratio that takes all of Delta's future aircraft options and none of NWA's future options - because an arbitrator can do whatever the hell he wants.

That's plenty of incentive for me!

Carl

I've edited my earlier response because I know it will fall on deaf Delta ears. I see all kinds of DAL's posting on other threads and I'll do the same.

Cheers

It's HTML language (I think). You use the: [/quote] at the end of what you want quoted. At the beginning of what you want quoted you have to paste in the beginning of the message - which in your case was this:
[quote=tsquare;414209]

Carl

OK.. sorry, that didn't come across the way I meant. But my concern still remains that NWALPA is hell bent on arbitration. And if that is true... I'm very concerned.

Oh one more question: What is this "early reitrement and permanent part time flying" that C 20 passed?

Wait, I thought you said your MEC was so much better than ours...you mean they let you down with LOA 19 b.c. now u feel ur getting screwed...Well if u feel your being left out or not getting what u deserve, I guess you have no one to thank but your MEC and Neg.'s.

From what we were being told, our two sides could not come to an agreement, and WE said we would go to arbitration to take that sweet deal (back in FEB), DALPA said NO, then got LOA 19, then said you would go to arib. Now we got a Joint TA, and we are going to try and NEG a SLI, but part of the TA, AGREED by BOTH sides is if we could not get an SLI we would go to arbitration. I think most NWA pilots would rather we get a SLI through neg, not arbitration...but I am not sure you can understand this!