We really aren't bent on arbitration tsquare. The NWA/Republic SLI was arbitrated. The arbitration went straight DOH even though Republic hired 1200 guys in the 1970's when NWA hired none. The seniority numbers were stunningly skewed as a result, for example I went from 45% from the top of the list to 68% from the top of the list after the award. Those imbalances were "fixed" by 20 years of fences. Most NWA guys feel that the risks are way too high in arbitration (unless someone's final position prior to arbitration is too over the top).

It's a proposal to minimize or even prevent furlough of NWA guys if the company should announce additional capacity reductions. I'm very much in favor of it.

Carl

Pot calling kettle black. A quick look at your posts on here and FI will clearly show you are a SUPERLOYALDAL to the extreme. :p I am more of a SUPERLOYALDAL/NWA and want to see us ALL succeed.


I dont have all the info to really make a judgement to that. Neither side seemed to have have a real grasp on things at that time. Also from what i have seen BOTH sides were being hard headed and BOTH sides had unrealistic ideas.

NOW they are working together and BOTH sides together UNANIMOUSLY voted to ratify this agreement. That should show all these people on here who now SUDDENLY lost faith in their MECS that this needs to get done asap. I am just amazed by the people on here who were Die hard DALPA followers and now Doubt their leaders.


REALITY CHECK
THIS INDUSTRY IS FUBARED and WE ARE LUCKY WE ARE GETTING +'s NOW WHEN MOST OF THE OTHER COMPANIES IN THIS INDUSTRY ARE GETTING -'s. WAKE UP OR WE MIGHT ALL BE SEEING WHAT THE OTHERS ARE.:eek:

We CAN grab the candy, just not this round. We are getting a few pieces of candy but IF we start working TOGETHER NOW we will be able to grab handfuls when the negotiating environment is better and our NEW company is kicking A and taking names.

You guys need to put down the swords. This is going to happen and we are going to be Fellow DAL pilots. Put down the swords and pick up the beers!! ;)

nevermind... we have 60 days.

Heyas,

I caught what you wrote before you deleted it.

Better get your facts straight before you go off and look foolish.

There are NO provisions in the transition LOA for "retired pilots getting seniority numbers". Take your agenda elsewhere.

Nu

I caught it too and still have it saved. Me thinks Bar wanted NWA to furlough pilots so he could move up a few numbers.....

I'm not so sure the Delta pilots need to fear arbitration. We have always wanted to avoid it because it seems such an unneccessary roll of the dice, but there are just as many risks for the Northwest pilots in handing this to an arbitrator.
I take the new NWA LOAs at face value. They are a good faith attempt to prevent furloughs and displacements. If there is any "legerdemain" it will not go unnoticed and could very easily backfire and be seen by the arbitrator as an open admission of overstaffing and an attempt to "pad the list". The arbitrator doesn't work in a vaccuum. He can count warm bodies and block hours and he will ask about all that stuff. Giving him the impression that you might be trying to deceive him would not be wise.
I'm sure the NWA team will be ready to thoroughly explain these LOAs in their presentation.

Arbitration is a big gamble for both sides.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
The initial reaction to this JPWA is overwhelmingly negative because of fear that this JPWA removes any incentive for the NWA pilots to negotiate in good faith. The NWA MEC's position has always been a "take no prisoners" arbitration and have backed up that intent with LOA's designed to obsfucate the fact NWA has more pilots than pilot positions.


Hmmm, I thought that LOA 19 wasn't supposed to be ANY sort of "incentive" for NWA pilots at all. Moak and others vehemently claimed that LOA 19 was only a "safety net" for DAL pilots, and not something to hammer NWA pilots with.

Interesting that some DAL pilots think otherwise.

Nu

It seems that SOME DAL pilots only like the idea of a merger when they have some sort of leverage over NWA pilots. The NEW GLOBAL AIRLINE is a great concept for them when they can say to NWA pilots, "trust us."

"Trust us" goes both ways. I can gurantee that I have never wanted to get over on any DAlL pilot and would NEVER want any pilot to be furloughed for my increased position.

This is NOT a condemnation for ALL Delta Pilots, but I do fund it funny that when things are on a level playing field some of you scream bloddy murder and want the whole thing called off. But when we (NWA pilots) have to trust that you (DAL) won't shrink our flying at the expense of DAL flying, the merger was the greatest thing since sliced cheese.

Now, all we have to be aprehensive about is the SLI. We can all be a little nervous together. But we at least ALL have job protection. Isn't that what many of you were preaching when we had to "trust you?"

New K Now

Nu,

We said we wanted parity for you on day one and negotiated just that.

The LOA's passed with the JPWA speak for themselves.

NWA brings more pilots to the merger than jobs.