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10-09-2008, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by staplegun
Give me a break!
You're not really going to start this BS, are you?
I would have gone to NWA in a heartbeat, and so would you!
The only difference between 99% of Delta & NWA pilots is who called them first for the interview and hired them!
Kevin
Delta pilot by default...
You're not really going to start this BS, are you?
I would have gone to NWA in a heartbeat, and so would you!
The only difference between 99% of Delta & NWA pilots is who called them first for the interview and hired them!
Kevin
Delta pilot by default...
Carl
10-09-2008, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Carl,
Read the transcript carefully. The DALPA team did not try to tear down Northwest as a franchise. They only said that Northwest management had a plan in bankruptcy to replace their aging, fuel guzzling DC-9's with RJ's. The record shows that that is exactly what Northwest is doing. It is good for the franchise, but bad for pilot expectations at Northwest. There is some reason why your negotiators came up with a FURLOUGH MITIGATION agreement, my guess it was because the company was about to furlough excess pilots caused by the DC-9's going away. I am sure you have some other explanation.
Read the transcript carefully. The DALPA team did not try to tear down Northwest as a franchise. They only said that Northwest management had a plan in bankruptcy to replace their aging, fuel guzzling DC-9's with RJ's. The record shows that that is exactly what Northwest is doing. It is good for the franchise, but bad for pilot expectations at Northwest. There is some reason why your negotiators came up with a FURLOUGH MITIGATION agreement, my guess it was because the company was about to furlough excess pilots caused by the DC-9's going away. I am sure you have some other explanation.
By the way, nobody's been furloghed, and nobody's getting furloughed. Early and planned retirements are so far above projections, the last APA and the upcoming APA will have new Captain positions on the 747-400 and the A330. Furlough mitigation was a good plan in case we needed it, but now we don't.
Carl
10-09-2008, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
A few things on this. I rarely agree with Spiff, but he has a point. This did happen. I know of at least three guys that were turned down from DAL and went to NWA, interviewed, were hired, and are on the seniority list now.
I appreciate very much the other DAL pilots that have called out guys like Spaceman. We've had guys turned down at NWA who are now at DAL. So what? It's meaningless.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion ACL, but I'm disappointed that you think there is a point anywhere in Spaceman's flamebait post.
Carl
10-09-2008, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
So because you know of a few cases where this happened, you say that Spaceman has a point? Unbelievable.
I appreciate very much the other DAL pilots that have called out guys like Spaceman. We've had guys turned down at NWA who are now at DAL. So what? It's meaningless.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion ACL, but I'm disappointed that you think there is a point anywhere in Spaceman's flamebait post.
Carl
I appreciate very much the other DAL pilots that have called out guys like Spaceman. We've had guys turned down at NWA who are now at DAL. So what? It's meaningless.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion ACL, but I'm disappointed that you think there is a point anywhere in Spaceman's flamebait post.
Carl
I second and ditto or whatever else. That is the most insulting attempt at making a point I have ever seen.
No one is a pilot at their respective airline because they are a good pilot. They are there becuase that airline thought they would fit in AND they are a good pilot.
Nothing more, so Space, get off your horse.
10-09-2008, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
NewK,
Nobody wants to loose mainline jobs to the RJ. You say you would not let the 9 go away without a replacement. I'm just trying to understand, what is stopping NWA or, after the merger, Delta from doing just that if they want too?
I'm sure you get your "marching orders" just like I get mine. I certainly cannot think for my self so I need to have someone do it for me. I sure hope nothing goes wrong when I'm flying because I wouldn't know what to do.....
Nobody wants to loose mainline jobs to the RJ. You say you would not let the 9 go away without a replacement. I'm just trying to understand, what is stopping NWA or, after the merger, Delta from doing just that if they want too?
I'm sure you get your "marching orders" just like I get mine. I certainly cannot think for my self so I need to have someone do it for me. I sure hope nothing goes wrong when I'm flying because I wouldn't know what to do.....
Oh, after reading the transcripts, I now understand the concept of super premium widebody flying!!!
So, I am now onboard with the concept. See, it would have saved me a lot of energy to just "trust them."
10-09-2008, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Winston Smith
Easy, I'm not trying to knock on the 15 guys hired at NWA who actually wanted to live in an NWA hub, and for whom NWA was #1 on the list. I bet they're not good poker players.
I'm pretty sure any sane guy not living in an NWA hub would have rather been hired at DAL (better pay, better DC plan, better EVERYTHING).
Hopefully this will be on the arbitrators' radar at some point.
ACL,
"...that it happened." Are you sure that is all he was saying? Doesn't look like that to me.
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10-09-2008, 09:19 AM
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Carl, I can't believe you are defending NW management. Our presentation was to point out your management's post BR business plan. The first witness even gave you guys props for fighting the complete evisceration of your pilot group with the NewCo thing. He pointed out you stopped them at 90 76 seaters. That sill doesn't change the fact that they planned to replace the 9s with smaller more efficient a/c. Genuinely interested question here, not a debate point. Have you guys pressured NW management about a replacement a/c?
As for the testimony transcripts, I know we come from different perspectives. But I can't for the life of me find where your lawyer guy has refuted anything much less everything that the witnesses have stated. You may disagree with their statements, but that is not refuting them.
OBTW, you calling my statements "nonsense" is an example of invective. Blithely stating that your lawyer has refuted every statement of our witnesses is an example of hyperbole. You still haven't answered the questions previously put to you.
On a side note, guys how is the sushi over there? Is the yen/dollar rate better than the Euro? 6 bucks for coffee is really killing me.
As for the testimony transcripts, I know we come from different perspectives. But I can't for the life of me find where your lawyer guy has refuted anything much less everything that the witnesses have stated. You may disagree with their statements, but that is not refuting them.
OBTW, you calling my statements "nonsense" is an example of invective. Blithely stating that your lawyer has refuted every statement of our witnesses is an example of hyperbole. You still haven't answered the questions previously put to you.
On a side note, guys how is the sushi over there? Is the yen/dollar rate better than the Euro? 6 bucks for coffee is really killing me.
10-09-2008, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
2nd, was the testimony true that your business plan on exiting BR called for the elimination of the DC 9 and replacing it with a 70-110 seat a/c that would be flown by "NewCo", now called Compass? Did NW budget for a replacement a/c for the mainline?
Originally Posted by satchip
3rd, as for the 787s were they an addition to your seat capacity in the Pacific or were they replacements for 747s?
Originally Posted by satchip
As for your -200 freighters did they or did they not lose their largest contract with DHL? Does NW have replacement customers lined up? Is that division making money right now? Will those fine venerable and lovely airplanes make a profit when the cargo market picks back up which it inevitably will? Or are they too old and fuel inefficient?
By the way, "invective" means a vehement and violent denunciation. Do you really think my use of the word "nonsense" fits that definition? My you're a thin-skinned one. Oops, there I go with more invective.
Carl
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