Super,

Are you looking at the numbers??? The NWA guy gains 14% with your proposal and only loses 2% on the Delta plan. And as I showed, 2 different Delta guys only gain either 1% or nothing in the Delta plan but lose 7 and 9 % in NWA's plan. You lump these plans together as if they are equally unfair. Wake up and be honest with everyone. How can NWA justify a 14% gain for NWA pilots in their plan. The epitomy of a windfall.

Cog

 

The % on day one is high BECAUSE of the fence. ALSO your 2% on the DAL plan is WRONG. Its 1-6% Negative for ALL NWA pilots throughout their entire careers. While the DAL side gets 1-6% Positive for ALL DAL pilots throughout their entire careers. The higher % on the NWA proposal is temporary during the fence and levels out. During the Fence the DAL pilots cant be negatively effected and it doesnt negatively effect anyone over their entire career like the DAL proposal does.

Your seeing what you want to see. I atleast can admit that both sides proposals have their issues, yet you try to portray the DAL list as "Fair". Be honest with yourself and at least admit that neither side is FAIR.

Even the arbitrators spoke up and said neither proposal was going to be selected in its whole. They viewed the proposals as opposites so its ok for you to admit it . Like i said both sides proposals should be viewed by the opposite side as the worst case scenario.

 

Both plans are unfair. Why should a NWA guy hired in 2001 be junior to a DAL guy hired in 2008? Why should any NWA pilot hired post 9-11 be junior to a DAL pilot hired after him? Unfair. The arbitrators have stated this is merger of equals, looks like we'll just have to wait for their decision.

 

Then why is a 5% loss in senority OK under the DAL proposal. Both sides pretty much due to each other what we are complaining about. I would never count out DOH as I am reading some preach on here will never happen...... If DOH happens it will have fences and all will want them.

 

Your DOH at NWA is meaningless! Each pilot groups demographics are unique. Its a crapshoot when you were hired and relative position on YOUR list can vary widely with other airlines pilots hired around your DOH. Maybe thats why DOH was removed from ALPA merger policy

 

You can argue with me all you want, but our opinions are meaningless. Neither one of us are involved in the arbitration. And in their eyes, neither list is fair. Cry all ya want, but the only opinions that matter are the arbitrators, and they agree with me.

 

Agree to disagree. I'm growing a little weary of this whole process. Good luck to all of us. Thanks for the civil discourse

 

Yet another DAL pilot who doesn't know what ARBITRATION means. Sing it with me now...A-R-B-I-T-R-A-T-I-O-N...

Carl

 

Actually, Roberts did work. The 20 year fence was very manageable. NWA pilots grew into the airplanes they brought to the merger. Almost 1,000 Republic pilots retired as Captains on the 747-400, 747-200, DC-10 and A-330 - none of which they brought to the merger. I still think both sides did pretty well.

Carl

 

NWA and many other mergers have proven that fences DO work. Since you don't fly for NWA, why do you talk so definitively about something you know virtually nothing about? My prediction: Fences will be a MAJOR part of any award.

Carl