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Wow, my hat is off to those of you trying to reason with people who justify their self worth by criticizing others. Luckily, I think they are in the minority on both sides. Everyone that I have come in contact with while jumpseating realize that both sides are bringing value to the marriage.
It's going to be a tough merger for those that march around with a feeling of superiority.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 505831)

Its not worth arguing with people like him. They obviously believe that Delta sits beautifully at the end of the rainbow and that NWA brings nothing to the table. The DC9 is the RDs chance at fixing their screwup of letting that flying go. The DC9s and the flying they bring is Mainline flying and its now Delta Mainline flying. The 100 seat market is now the Combined DAL pilots flying and its ours to lose. We are all responsible for ensuring it stays at mainline. OUR scope protects it and should continue to protect it. These planes are especially helpful when fuel is falling, the credit market is swamped making financing harder to come by, and the flexibility to redeploy these aircraft anywhere. They can and will likely take back flying from the regionals. 2 dc9s can move the same people as 2-3 50 seaters. As DAL pulls down capacity they can remove frequency without giving up seats by using the DC9s.

These planes are NOW Delta planes. The sooner the RD side realizes that they are their planes and jobs now, the sooner we can work together to protect that flying from here on out.

Delta does not sit at the end of a rainbow. And I do acknowledge that the 9's are ours and we MUST protect scope. But with 35 yr old airplanes in an RNAV world, how long do they realistically have left flying. How much $$ goes into their heavy mx cycles. You have to admit that economically speaking, the company cannot afford to replace the airframes as fast as they will retire them. I hope the 787 is onboard by then to help. From SLI testimony, as the 9's have been retired, RJ's have replaced them. Do 73's have the same staffing but 50% more seats. I realize and am a proponent of all getting along. As a line pilot, what control do we really have over SLI, contracts etc? BTW, I do have over three years flying the 9 so I have some experience with it. Let me be the first to say if you haven't heard already, "Welcome Aboard."

You know what Bigflya, you crossed my line with your comments. Your backtracking is palpable. Furlough jets indeed. Do yourself a favor, get off probation, look around at the human beings with families and lives, commitments, and problems and then come back to me with your furlough jets. Trust me, and I've been here over 30 times longer than you have, your day in the barrel will come. Until you realize the guy or gal sitting next to you is more than an operator of a furlough jet, one of the least of your problems is a furlough.

By the way, a "source" has told me that they are going to put some kind of GPS in those old, innefficient, furlough jets so they can fly shuttle ops up and down the East coast. And I can honestly say I have never thrown the "source" word around here.

Maybe people will leave the -9 alone after December 8th. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 505831)

These planes are NOW Delta planes. The sooner the RD side realizes that they are their planes and jobs now, the sooner we can work together to protect that flying from here on out.

So if the former NW planes are Delta planes then the former NW pilots are Delta pilots too. Thus when one retires all Delta pilots move up and benefit from that retirement, huh? It goes both ways fellas, that's all we're saying.

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 506271)

Two's In on your Wing!

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 506271)

Even under the NWA proposal, YOU would move up in numbers when a NWA pilot retires. Only positions are blocked off, BOTH on the NWA and DAL sides. It goes both ways fellas, thats all we're saying. ;)

The DAL side keeps saying they dont want to fly our aircraft anyway so whats the problem? ;)

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Originally Posted by Superpilot92 (Post 506303)

The DAL side keeps saying they dont want to fly our aircraft anyway so whats the problem? ;)

An old 727 Captain once told me: "I think I'll bid the L-1011. Don't really want to fly it, but I hate to see anybody junior to me get the thing." ;)

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Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 506323)

An old 727 Captain once told me: "I think I'll bid the L-1011. Don't really want to fly it, but I hate to see anybody junior to me get the thing." ;)

Excellent point!

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Originally Posted by Bigflya (Post 505793)

The DC-9 is a "furlough jet." Your mgmt has told as much by systematically parking them. They are 35+ years old, horribly inefficient, and the flying was quickly being replaced by commuter jets from Mesaba and Compass. Your 787's are coming in who knows when and NWA will not pay to keep hundreds of pilots on the payroll while they waited. You guys rightously made deals to keep as many guys on the property as you could but eventually the numbers would have caught up with you. NWA's old fleet and past commuter jet concessions should not be carried on the backs of the DAL pilot group. When gas skyrocketed, the majority of our cuts came at the commuter level thus saving mainline jobs.

Lighten up Francis.

Carl