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newKnow 12-19-2008 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 522048)
I would say yes, it is possible. Might be difficult to only get 10 days with that seniority number but in four years it is quite possible. ER or 330 in NYC could possibly do it. Plus you could drop a trip or two.
IMHO


ACL,

You caan just drop trips that take you below your minimum?

Also, how many 737-700's are supposed to be delivered?

New K Now

Hawaii50 12-19-2008 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 522102)
Kinda sounds like you are patting yourself on the back while asking the question. Did we need to know where you went to school or why you need the time off?

I'll pat him on the back. That's pretty damn impressive. I just surf, drink, and fart on my days off (and some days on). Keep in mind the schedule will build your line to around the ALV and if it can't it gives you a reserve line. You can only drop trips on days where there is adequate reserve coverage, otherwise it goes into the pot to see if someone will pick it up. You would want to bid into a category that is well staffed so you have more flexibilty.

NuGuy 12-19-2008 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 522102)
Kinda sounds like you are patting yourself on the back while asking the question. Did we need to know where you went to school or why you need the time off?

Heyas Capt'n,

Give the guy a break. I'd still be in school myself had the company not called and MADE me come back (no deferral option...come back or quit). I had a full ride AND a 30k/yr stipend, too.

Dunno what the trip drop options are like under the DAL PWA. I'd probably try to bid the AC that had the best variety of short trips so I could play mix/match/drop with the open board as much as possible. I would also play the SIL/SLIP/PML game as much as I could get away with.

Residency is no joke. Hope this cat gets enough sleep.

Nu

slowplay 12-19-2008 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 522107)

You caan just drop trips that take you below your minimum?

Also, how many 737-700's are supposed to be delivered?

1. You can drop trips as long as there is positive reserve coverage (with some "other" rules around holidays). There is no minimum flying requirement, but if you voluntarily drop trips there is no guarantee replacement for that time. If there's not positive reserve coverage you can place the trip on the swapboard. If it's a decent trip, it'll be gone quickly. Deadhead days, all nighters, 5 hour sits, and certain "exotic" destinations don't get picked up quickly, if it all.

2. We have 4 700's on the property now, with 6 more coming next year. Delivery dates are firmed up 15-18 months out. Delta uses it for specialty routes (Manaus, Hayden, etc.), so it will not become a large fleet.

Hope this helps.

Jughead 12-19-2008 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by md727 (Post 522024)
Gentlemen,

I have a question for the premerger delta guys. I'm a NWA pilot on bypass and due back on property by Jan 2013. My new number is around 10980 and would retire at around 220. I graduated with my MD from LSU medical school and am currently doing an orthopaedic surgery residency, but want to come back and fly at Delta. I am planning to switch to an ER residency, which allows a tremendous amount of flexibility vs. ortho.

I am wondering, what is the flexibility of your schedules? Is it possible to fly only 10 days a month? I don't care about a big a cut in pay: just if it's possible to only fly 10-12 days a month. ER allows plenty of flexibility(it's shift work with the avg # of shifts/month being 10-12) vs ortho which is basically a full time gig.

Thanks for any help you may be able to provide

I can't provide you with any help, but good on ya...great back up and I wish I had something that solid to fall back on. Stay away as long as possible.:)

Ferd149 12-19-2008 03:02 PM

Hey MD......

You are way too smart to be an airline pilot. Congrats on the graduation!

Can't help you with the question, I'm getting that Delta rosetta stone program too.

Ferd

md727 12-19-2008 04:06 PM

Thanks guys for the info. I have some tough decisions to make in the next couple of months of ER vs. Ortho (if ortho, the flying gig is up....if ER, I'll be able to do both.) The reason I included my stats was to provide background into the reason for my line of questioning. The reason I included LSU was because it's LSU.....season sucked this year but still heck of a team. If it seemed like self promotion, it wasn't intended that way. I'm just trying to get as much info as I can before I make a firm decision.

My wife says it's waaay cooler to be an airline pilot: I absolutely agree.

NuGuy, I am not getting much sleep....these 30 hour shifts are kicking my butt.

newKnow 12-19-2008 04:32 PM

Hey ACL (Or, anyone else),

What's really going on? I mean I was really planning on getting bumped out of DTW as a -9 CA and possibly having to go to MSP or NYC. Now with this latest APA, they recalled over 25 DC-9 captains. Not that I am complaining, but the previous flying "memos" that they put out said "no movement on the DC-9" & "Hey, we are fat on DC-9 captains."

So rather that waiting for the next few days for their explanation, maybe someone who is really in the know can tell us what to expect. :rolleyes:

acl65pilot 12-19-2008 04:55 PM

Word is that they are not moving bases until after SOC. That means that for the interim they will be flying a lot of flights through the sister bases.
All this is for the near term plan. Long term (6-12 months plus) gets a little complicated, (IMHO)

capncrunch 12-19-2008 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 522156)
Heyas Capt'n,

Give the guy a break. I'd still be in school myself had the company not called and MADE me come back (no deferral option...come back or quit). I had a full ride AND a 30k/yr stipend, too.

Agreed, it is am impressive task accomplished. Truth be told, he is probably too smart and hardworking to be a pilot. It just seems humility is not part of the formula. I guess no one has ever accused pilots of being humble. Either way, I'll admit I'm jealous, I'd love to have a successful practice to fall back on. A doctor and pilot has to be the perfect panty dropper if I've heard of one.

Wasatch Phantom 12-19-2008 05:44 PM

MD,

Congratulations. That's a huge achievement, and something to be damn proud of.

Definitely a tough career decision, but nice to have the options you do.

Whatever you decide, I wish you the best.

Nosmo King 12-19-2008 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 522232)
Hey ACL (Or, anyone else),

What's really going on? I mean I was really planning on getting bumped out of DTW as a -9 CA and possibly having to go to MSP or NYC. Now with this latest APA, they recalled over 25 DC-9 captains. Not that I am complaining, but the previous flying "memos" that they put out said "no movement on the DC-9" & "Hey, we are fat on DC-9 captains."

So rather that waiting for the next few days for their explanation, maybe someone who is really in the know can tell us what to expect. :rolleyes:

They also have to staff for the new trip rigs that they (should be, but) aren't using...

Deez340 12-19-2008 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 522255)
Agreed, it is am impressive task accomplished. Truth be told, he is probably too smart and hardworking to be a pilot. It just seems humility is not part of the formula. I guess no one has ever accused pilots of being humble. Either way, I'll admit I'm jealous, I'd love to have a successful practice to fall back on. A doctor and pilot has to be the perfect panty dropper if I've heard of one.

Something like "hi, I'm Captain Von Longrodhugendong, ... MD. Allll right!":D

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/qui...34_184_389.jpg

Superpilot92 12-19-2008 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 522351)
Something like "hi, I'm Captain Von Longrodhugendong, ... MD. Allll right!":D

http://images1.fanpop.com/images/qui...34_184_389.jpg

LMAO NICE!!! :D

capncrunch 12-20-2008 07:34 AM

HAHA, nice one DEEZ.

320FOB 12-20-2008 10:43 AM


My wife says it's waaay cooler to be an airline pilot:
Umm....I need her to talk to my wife ASAP. Thanks!

Pineapple Guy 12-20-2008 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Nosmo King (Post 522320)
They also have to staff for the new trip rigs that they (should be, but) aren't using...

Hey Nosmo, this is pulled off another thread:

I talked with one of the transition group reps about the Duty Rigs. He was in the room when Section 12 was negotiated, as was your CA chairman that put this piece out. The guy that was in the room told me that everybody, including Ken Watts, acknowledged the intent of placing certain changes into bid period 5, including the duty rigs. It was his view that the rigs argument put forward by Watts was a grab for more than was negotiated by ALPA. The former NWA negotiating team and DAL's team met with management on the rigs issue just a couple of weeks back. Surprise, surprise, the record did not reflect your CA chair's point of view.

Your jabs accomplish nothing, except to drive a wedge between the former NWA pilot group and the pre-merger DAL pilot group; and nothing good can come of that.

Food for thought.

PG

Bucking Bar 12-20-2008 02:45 PM

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Bucking Bar 12-20-2008 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 522351)
Something like "hi, I'm Captain Von Longrodhugendong, ... MD.

Or just call me "Smiling Bob!"

newKnow 12-26-2008 06:34 AM

Does anyone know if our (DAL and NWA) dispatchers and schedulers have been integrated? I have had some strange dealings with them in the past few weeks. (ie. getting non-revs and jumpseaters on) :rolleyes:

sailingfun 12-26-2008 06:59 AM

No integration at this time with the dispatchers. They are going to move one fleet at a time to Atlanta and close the dispatch center in MSP. I believe the first fleet that will be moved is the 747.

newKnow 12-26-2008 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 525567)
No integration at this time with the dispatchers. They are going to move one fleet at a time to Atlanta and close the dispatch center in MSP. I believe the first fleet that will be moved is the 747.


Thanks Sailing,

Do you know if the schedulers have integrated?

IXLR8 12-26-2008 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 525559)
Does anyone know if our (DAL and NWA) dispatchers and schedulers have been integrated? I have had some strange dealings with them in the past few weeks. (ie. getting non-revs and jumpseaters on) :rolleyes:

They have a t/a. The vote on the t/a ends on the 30dec. Should know by that evening if it passed. It has to pass by both groups or they start over. The Seniority list would go to arbitration. Only rumor I have heard is they want the Nwa dispatchers down in ATL by the fall of '09...We'll see if that happens.

Nosmo King 12-26-2008 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 525567)
No integration at this time with the dispatchers. They are going to move one fleet at a time to Atlanta and close the dispatch center in MSP. I believe the first fleet that will be moved is the 747.

Fleet? AFAIK the dispatchers bid which desks they want to work based on seniority. After the concessions in Chapter 11, we started seeing some new names on the international releases. Found out it was because they changed their contract so that domestic and international paid the same, so the senior ones went back to domestic. Not sure how that breaks down into "fleets."

Sometimes it gets kind of fun when a dispatcher "new" to international gives you a briefing on your route between Tokyo and Bangkok and says that the weather in Miami looks good, not realizing that it's Manila...

newKnow 12-26-2008 08:55 PM

I hope they get it together. Any word on when the aircraft operating weight will start to include the jumpseat, as in no more weight restrictions to bump off jumpseaters?

reddog25 12-27-2008 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 525836)
I hope they get it together. Any word on when the aircraft operating weight will start to include the jumpseat, as in no more weight restrictions to bump off jumpseaters?


Done...can't be kicked off DAL/NWA jets

newKnow 12-27-2008 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 526134)
Done...can't be kicked off DAL/NWA jets

Great!! I hate it when I miss the memo. And that is for all pilots, right?

Nosmo King 12-27-2008 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by reddog25 (Post 526134)
Done...can't be kicked off DAL/NWA jets

I jumpseated on NWA on 26Dec MSP-MEM DC-9, weight restricted.

Captain says his preliminary load advice no longer restricts XCM. Gate agent calls load control. Load control says they haven't added XCM to operating weight yet and that NWA load control and gate agents are still using the OLD system... i.e. an XCM can be booted off a weight restricted flight.

Fortunately the load fell apart and I got a seat in the back.

Carl Spackler 12-28-2008 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 526145)
Great!! I hate it when I miss the memo. And that is for all pilots, right?

It's official policy as of right now. The FIF on the subject says if any agent gives you grief, call dispatch. If dispatch gives you grief, call a Chief Pilot and he will ensure you get on. This new policy only applies to NWA and DAL pilots. All other pilots (including regional partners) can still be bumped from an NWA jumpseat due to weight.

Carl

Nosmo King 12-28-2008 12:55 PM

Thanks, guess I missed that FIF. Headed back to work today so I'll read it tomorrow.:D

Scoop 12-28-2008 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 526145)
Great!! I hate it when I miss the memo. And that is for all pilots, right?


This was going around the DAL boards last week and to not be "kick-offable" someone said you needed to have a JS reservation. Then someone else said you cannot be kicked off the actual cockpit JS but a flow through can still be kicked off.
I think if you can claim ownership to the cockpit JS you are safe. The problem comes if you walk up to the gate and with your dashing aviator charm kindly inquire "Is the JS available?", gate agent says "As a matter of fact it is available," with a slight wink, but in the meantime somone else reserves it via the phone - you are now at risk, at which time the gate agent who mere seconds ago was giving you a sly come-hither wink now says "Beat it deadbeat, you are being cargo optimized."

Bottom line - Have a JS reservation if you don't want to be kicked off the flight.

:) Scoop

IXLR8 12-29-2008 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 526468)
It's official policy as of right now. The FIF on the subject says if any agent gives you grief, call dispatch. If dispatch gives you grief,
Carl

Dispatch has the FIF...no grief required...

newKnow 01-02-2009 07:55 AM

FWIW, our new NWA seniority numbers are out. People in my range ('95) moved up 110+ numbers.

Why they even posted it, I don't know. Maybe so we could wish a look to see where we would be if wew were 110+ slots up on the combined NWA/DAL list.

For old DAL guys, this means that from July 2008 to December 2009, a little over 110 NWA pilots retried.

For me, it means I can say I broke into the 2000's--before I go into the 6000's. Here's to trying to stick around long enough to get back into the 2000's. :D

Denny Crane 01-02-2009 09:57 AM

NewK,

I just looked at the January SL on the deltanet and it's the same arbitrated list that was released in Dec.

Denny

newKnow 01-02-2009 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 529280)
NewK,

I just looked at the January SL on the deltanet and it's the same arbitrated list that was released in Dec.

Denny

So, the company (Delta) is posting a seniority list with the arbitrated numbers along with the new NWA pilots on it? Because NWA is still going about it as if it were business as usual. The updated list they posted has only NWA pilots on it with their new "NWA" seniority numbers....

Denny Crane 01-02-2009 10:20 AM

On the Pilot Resources and Scheduling page, which you probably can't see yet, the company updates and posts the seniority list electronically every month. Since the arbitrated list is now "The List" thats what is posted. Who knows when it will really be updated now?!

I cannot find an updated list of FD pilots, but I can look up my seniority number and it changed by a whopping 3 numbers!!! WooHoo!!!:D That is more than it's changed in the last 3 or 4 months (when it stayed the same)!!!:D

It's my understanding the Company is keeping separate lists at least until SOC for any position bidding (hows that for PC!) that occurs prior to SOC and any other reason they might need them.

Denny

Justdoinmyjob 01-02-2009 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 529242)
For me, it means I can say I broke into the 2000's--before I go into the 6000's. Here's to trying to stick around long enough to get back into the 2000's. :D

Lucky you. My new seniority number is actually just over 400 numbers worse than my new hire number was back in 2001. Wonder how long it will take me to get back to that one?:cool:

newKnow 01-02-2009 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 529568)
Lucky you. My new seniority number is actually just over 400 numbers worse than my new hire number was back in 2001. Wonder how long it will take me to get back to that one?:cool:


Ha. I got you beat. I am 1400 numbers off from my original NWA number. I remember breaking into the 4000's, then the 3000's, now I can say I got to break 3000 into the 2000's (sort of). Now, who knows how long it will take to break anything with Age 65. :rolleyes:


P.S. I won't bring up the last guy I flew with who was hired in '99 who is close to 6000 numbers off from his new hire number. (Oops, I just brought it up.) :rolleyes:

newKnow 01-02-2009 07:31 PM

Hey. WHen you guys get done fighting on that other thread, can anyone tell me where the flying to the African island hub is or is supposed to be out of and what type of equipment? If I am learning my new DAL speak correctly, I will guess it's the 76er ouf of ATL or JFK. :)

What are the trips supposed to look like and are they or will they be junior?

Thanks. :)

Fly4hire 01-02-2009 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 529242)
Why they even posted it, I don't know. Maybe so we could wish a look to see where we would be if wew were 110+ slots up on the combined NWA/DAL list.

Because it's still relevant for our own position bidding until SOC.


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