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Old 12-10-2008, 11:27 PM   #1  
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Default NWA/DAL Information Exchange...

Now that the seniority list is out and everybody is pizzed at everyone for some reason or the other, I am ready to move on. I would love to see what kind of flying the 737 does out of JFK and ATL. I also have a few questions about how things are done over there.

I'm thinking that maybe a few old DAL guys are interested in NWA "stuff" as well. I know, you hate our bases, our airplanes and our everything else. But, maybe you want to know what Asia is like. Maybe you want to know what flying a French airplane is like (I can't tell ya). Or, maybe you want to know what it's like to de-ice.

Anyway, maybe this can become a place where we --the New Delta guys-- come to exchange information.

So, I'll start off: Can anyone tell me what kind of trips the 737 flies out of JFK and ATL? I know it's all subject to change, but I like having as much information as possible.

Please, don't take it as if I'm inquiring about "your" airplanes, because in my opinion things are going to be swapped around so much in the next year or so that my 737 inquiry is more likely to be what the 320 is going to do; and if you ask about what the 330 does out of DTW or SEA is more than likely is an exploration of what the 767 might be doing out of those places.

The bottom line is that I for one am ready to move past the seniority list and look to the future. That was two days ago and there is nothing I can do about it.

Thanks in advance and feel free to ask whatever you like.


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Old 12-11-2008, 06:04 AM   #2  
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New K Now,

I *think* you guys have access to DeltaNet now.

Here is where you go:

Log in.

Click on Departments / Flight Operations if it DOES NOT default to "FLIGHT OPERATIONS - PILOT" at the top left.

Click on "Pilot resources and scheduling" in the left column.

That will bring up a screen where you can see all the bid packages.

I copied this sampling from the NYC 73N (737-800) Adobe .pdf package so you can see some sample trips and destinations:

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THERE MAY BE A CHANGE OF LAYOVER HOTELS, THE LATEST HOTEL NAME WILL BE DISPLAYED ON THE ROTATIONS IN DBMS.
NYC BASE B-73N PILOT PAIRINGS
#4001 FR EFFECTIVE DEC. 05 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 16.20
SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX
A 1671 EWR 1720 SLC 2030 5.10 738
1586 SLC 2120 BOI 2232 1.12 8.42/11.20
BOI 31.37/DOUBLETREE CLUB 6.22BL .00CRD 6.22TL
C 1153 BOI 0739 SLC 0848 1.09
1592 SLC 1000 EWR 1637 4.37 8.28/13.00
5.46BL .00CRD 5.46TL
.00DPA 1.48TRP
TOTALS---13.56TL 12.08BL 1.48CR TAFB 48.47
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#4351 TU EFFECTIVE DEC. 30 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 5.00
SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX
A 1297 JFK 0600 ATL 0846 2.46 738
1030 ATL 0950 JFK 1209 2.19 7.39/12.00
5.05BL .00CRD 5.05TL
.10DPA .00TRP
TOTALS--- 5.15TL 5.05BL .10CR TAFB 7.39
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#4352 MO EFFECTIVE DEC. 01 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 6.00
SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX
A 601 JFK 0700 LAX 1021 6.21 738 M 7.51/12.30
LAX 18.14/WILSHIRE GRAND 6.21BL .00CRD 6.21TL
B 1172 LAX 0605 SLC 0902 1.57
094 SLC 0950 JFK 1641 4.51 9.06/13.00
6.48BL .00CRD 6.48TL
.00DPA .00TRP
TOTALS---13.09TL 13.09BL .00CR TAFB 35.11
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#4353 MO EFFECTIVE DEC. 08 ONLY CHECK-IN AT 6.00
SKED ON-DUTY
DAY FLIGHT T DEPARTS ARRIVES C BLK. EQ ACT/MAX
A 601 JFK 0700 LAX 1021 6.21 738 M 7.51/12.30
LAX 19.19/WILSHIRE GRAND 6.21BL .00CRD 6.21TL
B 1768 *LAX 0710 CVG 1423 4.13
1130 CVG 1510 BDL 1701 1.51 8.21/13.00
BDL 11.29/RAMADA INN AIRPORT 6.04BL .00CRD 6.04TL
C 1129 BDL 0600 CVG 0813* 2.13
1211 CVG 0905 PHX 1109 4.04 8.39/12.00
PHX 17.21/HILTON SQUAW PEAK 6.17BL .00CRD 6.17TL
D 638 PHX 0600 JFK 1247 4.47 6.17/13.00
4.47BL .00CRD 4.47TL
.00DPA .00TRP
TOTALS---23.29TL 23.29BL .00CR TAFB 79.17
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:06 AM   #3  
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Also, if you want to PM me your e-mail address, I can e-mail you the bid packets if you can't get at them.
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:40 AM   #4  
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I think it is safe to say that most of the younger DAL guys are looking at moving down from the 767/757, 737-800, or MD88/90 to DC 9 or 320/319. Or moving form ATL, SLC to DTW, MSP. So given that fact I would not think there would be much interest in the NW equiptment until it is time to be displaced to it. Go figure.

Not to mention the chance of being furloughed if they get rid of the DC9 and 747-200 after SOC which I think is very possible by the company just so they don't have to furlough out of seniority order.

Most of the Jr DAL guys had looked forward to having a fair amount of new hires coming on after them to fill our upcoming deliveries but now they have 70 lower paying soon to be retired jets and the crews to go with them that mostly came in above them on the seniority list. I would say the majority of the old DAL contingent is fairly depressed about their future upgrades and will see stagnation or backwards movement as the new DAL (NW) guys move into bigger better paying airplanes and some of our bases. Yes, I realize NW brought the 74 and 330 but for the most part the vast opportunities for NW guys to bid the 76/75 and 800 is a + for NW and a - for DAL. Not to mention still having your DB +our 401K. Things look pretty dim on the DAL side right now.

I predict 1000 furloughs after SOC, DC9 and 747-200 gone and no growth for next 4.5 years. I would expect the furloughed guys to come back as the retirements start up again in 2011 which happens to be about the same time they expect to start adding capacity back according to RA at the investors meeting. I hope I am wrong.

But hey that is just my opinion and it is not worth much.
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:41 AM   #5  
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I'll offer up the Franco-American A320/319 analysis for my interested DAL brothers and sisters. I fly out of MEM and it has been the best non-military flying I've done. I love the airplane. The sidestick is fantastic, and takes about 5 minutes to get used to. The tray table is totally civilized. I haven't gotten any egg or cheesecake on my trousers in five years. It takes a while to get used to the magic, no doubt, and everyone has had a few "magic moments", but that is what NASAP is for! The flying is brain dead easy, the legs are generally 2-3 a day and I suspect DAL will load them up on longer routes and fly the MD more like the 9, not good for the MD brethren. We do a lot of Canada, and Caribbean, West Coast, and LaGarbage. We also go to the Fargo, Bozeman, Missoula, Bismarck, and Helena's of the world. And Chicago Midway for an A game challenge. Long term, a boatload of NBA charters, 16 teams for 10 years. I'm on one now. DH to SAT, layover, fly to MIA with your Atlanta Hawks at 1400, layover 31:00, fly to ATL, layup for 24, fly to CLE, and MDW, 14 hrs, then YYZ, and home to MEM. When our rig kicks in, even better. I love them. And I've been based in MEM almost 20 years. Not like working for an airline with 12,500 pilots. I usually remember something about everyone I fly with, kids, Collierville, Germantown, country boy, or downtowner. We generally discuss pork shoulder, SEC sports, GunAmmo, and kids and wife instead of J O B. The traffic is nil except for two hours a day, the city, messed up, but unique and has it's own very valuable positives. My kids go to catholic schools, and I would not move from here for anything, period. It is quite simply, my home. Public schools are not so hot, but some are very good, Hope scholarships to Tennessee colleges are gimmees. No state income tax, a lower cost of living than just about anywhere, and if you like the outdoor sports, great hunting, fishing, golf, stumpin' catfish, and coon huntin'. Navy Millington for BX, commissary for mil types, TnANG MEM for a great guard unit, and a boatload of Navy, Marine slots for reservists at BUPERS at Millington. If I were an empty nester, I'd jump on one of the homes at Harbortown, The Bluffs, or one of the condos along the river right now. Probably, they won't stay down long, but I'd love to watch Ol Man River out my window as I wane out of this career. I live in Lakeland, on the lake and boat, kayak, fish, run, and generally forget everything else at home. Two miles away is the greatest shooting facility in the nation, lighted skeet/trap, sporting clays, cowboy action village, combat range, 600 yard highpower, various distance rifle/pistol covered ranges, fishing lakes, a club house and BBQ pavilions. Any given day there you meet all kinds, shoot, visit, and leave with new friends to go eat. If it sounds like I'm sold on the bus and MEM, you're right. It's why I'm not so upset over 1600 numbers going in front of me. I really didn't want to commute to a widebody. Now, I don't have to worry about it! To quote Pete from "Oh Brother Where Art Thou", "Come on in Boys, The Water is Fine".
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:54 AM   #6  
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Also, if you want to PM me your e-mail address, I can e-mail you the bid packets if you can't get at them.
Thanks Pack. I will try to get those retirement numbers for you. We have a program that gets them for us from our seniority and above, but I have to think about where the overall numbers would be.

Your best bet might be to get Super or someone that was hired in the last year to run their retirement numbers on EZopenboard.

Oh, I tried the DeltaNet thing. I don't think we have full access yet.

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Old 12-11-2008, 07:36 AM   #7  
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NWA pilots have virtually no access within Deltanet. We basically get to view the Delta Daily newsletter. Mmmmm...scintillating!!

We're told NWA pilots will have deeper access to Deltanet in the "near future." Probably at some point after bid period 5.

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I believe FDX is much closer to furloughs than hiring. At least according to the FDX guys. Besides the junior domiciles are Hong Kong and Paris which may sound exciting but FDX does not provide enough compensation to cover the astronomical cost of living. I believe they are offering a couple of round trip tickets a year to get you back to the states. Sounds like fun to me.
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NWA pilots have virtually no access within Deltanet. We basically get to view the Delta Daily newsletter. Mmmmm...scintillating!!

We're told NWA pilots will have deeper access to Deltanet in the "near future." Probably at some point after bid period 5.

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We don't have ANY access to your information.. as far as I know.

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