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Old 12-12-2008, 06:16 AM   #41  
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Will we see an AE before the SOC for the future bases of Delta airplanes? And likewise for the NW airplanes? That way we can let Delta guys get first dibs for their airplanes and NW guys get first dibs for their airplanes. I am hoping to get to DTW on the 7ER (transfer from JFK).
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:29 AM   #42  
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I havent posted here in along time, too much negativity...Its NICE to see that most of us have settled down and are looking forward, positively!!

Question...I was 20% before and 20% after the list, so I'm pleased. Oct 98 NWA hire... MSP A320 FO (LOVE the plane, love the trips, hate the commute)...Where can I find what I can hold on the big list?? IOW, what are the junior numbers on each plane at each DAL base?? When SOC comes around, I'd like to know if SLC or LAX will be available to me, since I live in SEA and commute to MSP. Be nice if AS comes into the fold eventually, but until then....

Thanks guys!!
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:39 AM   #43  
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I havent posted here in along time, too much negativity...Its NICE to see that most of us have settled down and are looking forward, positively!!

Question...I was 20% before and 20% after the list, so I'm pleased. Oct 98 NWA hire... MSP A320 FO (LOVE the plane, love the trips, hate the commute)...Where can I find what I can hold on the big list?? IOW, what are the junior numbers on each plane at each DAL base?? When SOC comes around, I'd like to know if SLC or LAX will be available to me, since I live in SEA and commute to MSP. Be nice if AS comes into the fold eventually, but until then....

Thanks guys!!
All the Delta new hires were placed into the 767-300ER out of JFK, and the MD-88 out of Atlanta...and occasionally a new guy would get LAX 73N or SLC 73N or ATL 73N within a bid or two...a couple classes even had ATL 73N from day 1.

Bottom line - if your seniority is 11,350 or better you can hold 737 in any domicile and you can hold 767 in ATL, NYC, and LAX. I am 10,300 and I can hold anything anywhere (FO seat) including ATL 777 and I was on the very edge of holding reserve NYC MD-88 Captain (within a hundred numbers).

So depending on how things shake out...you are essentially my seniority now I believe...so the answer to your question is LAX 767 and 73N are options, as well as SLC 767, 73N and MD-88/90.

Rumor is there will be a big SEA 767ER base...you might get that.
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:47 AM   #44  
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I flew yesterday with an LCA. I was specifically concerned about being able to hold my seat on the 767 in LAX. But his opinion from talking with the CP and others in Lanta is that marketing will need a bigger LAX ER base 20-30% increase for HNL-Pac Rim (DAL just applied yesterday for the routes). Also Airbuses in LAX for Int'l MEX and Central America. 73N will increase for transcon. But he said the biggest impact will be the opening of a 767ER base in SEA. That will move A LOT of commuters from LAX and SLC. Educated speculation ABSOLUTELY! But nice to hear stuff that may at least allow me not to commute, although staying in the 767 could be impossible.
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Old 12-12-2008, 08:01 AM   #45  
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All the Delta new hires were placed into the 767-300ER out of JFK, and the MD-88 out of Atlanta...and occasionally a new guy would get LAX 73N or SLC 73N or ATL 73N within a bid or two...a couple classes even had ATL 73N from day 1.

Bottom line - if your seniority is 11,350 or better you can hold 737 in any domicile and you can hold 767 in ATL, NYC, and LAX. I am 10,300 and I can hold anything anywhere (FO seat) including ATL 777 and I was on the very edge of holding reserve NYC MD-88 Captain (within a hundred numbers).

So depending on how things shake out...you are essentially my seniority now I believe...so the answer to your question is LAX 767 and 73N are options, as well as SLC 767, 73N and MD-88/90.

Rumor is there will be a big SEA 767ER base...you might get that.
Wow that sounds really good. My number is just over 10,000. Interestingly, if I recall, the DAL guy right below me is your JUNIOR MD88 Capt (I am guessing NYC)...so guess that means that finally I can hold a CA seat??!!!! Dont want it, but its a milestone nonetheless...So the 767ER would fly the Pacific routes out of SEA?? Not familiar with all the 767 types...ER, 400, etc and what kind of flying they do (domestic, int'l). Whats the difference between the 767-300ER and -400ER? Quite different payrates...

Thanks again, and really looking forward to downing a few with my 20-30+ ex-Navy Delta bros!!! However for the first time most of them will finally outrank me!!! Guess they buy...

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Old 12-12-2008, 09:00 AM   #46  
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Here's another one:

Someone told me or from somewhere on this forum I got the impression that DAL pilots could bid on ANY opentime that was availiable in the system that was in their category. So, if you are a MD-88 FO in JFK, and there was an open trip in ATL, you could bid it after a certian amount of time. (And I guess, as long as it didn't conflict with your NYC schedule) Is that true or am I mis-remembering? (Yes, I know it's not a word)


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Here's another one:

Someone told me or from somewhere on this forum I got the impression that DAL pilots could bid on ANY opentime that was availiable in the system that was in their category. So, if you are a MD-88 FO in JFK, and there was an open trip in ATL, you could bid it after a certian amount of time. (And I guess, as long as it didn't conflict with your NYC schedule) Is that true or am I mis-remembering? (Yes, I know it's not a word)


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You can pick up time out of base and I do it now and then. There are some limits that make it difficult however. You can only pick up the day prior or same day. If any reserve pilot in base has a request to fly that trip he goes ahead of you. That means that you only can get a out of base trip the day prior and no reserve pilot has asked for it. This often means a lousy trip. If however you are willing to essentially put yourself on reserve you can put qualifiers in the flying request to limit yourself to decent trips and you may get one when someone sicks out. You can also put in a minimum time from notification to report.
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Absolutely. Where do your trips go and for how long? And forgive me for asking agian, but if you are a LAX 767-ER pilot does that mean that you cannot fly any domestic trips out of there? I'm slow to grasp the concept.
The LAX76ER category flys a mix of Hawaii (HNL, Maui, Kona, Lihue) and international stuff now. Lots of low time 3-day Hawaii with an all-nighter at the end. Right now it's fairly brutal unless you really love all-nighters, working 20 days a month, or are really senior. The international has been starting with deadheads to ATL, JFK, and SLC, fly the trip, deadhead home, since there is little international that originates in LAX at this point. You'll see domestic stuff occasionally but not a mix of international and domestic since you revert to 30 in 7 rules if you throw in one domestic leg. Seems like a category that's in transition at this point. -ER pilots cannot pick up open domestic trips and vice versa.

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Old 12-12-2008, 11:53 AM   #49  
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Wasatch, Thanks for the kind words, and I'd love to bend a few back with you and all my new Delta brothers and sisters. A few here have dissed' my attitude,(positive) and thats fine with me. I have a choice each day, and I've never gotten anything by choosing to be po'd. I didn't do too well in the computers's juggling of our list, the worst was 1700 numbers, I was at 1592 hired after me going ahead. Oh well, it happened. There has been so much happening here since we first heard the names Al Checchi and Gary Wilson, I'd be tango uniform if I chose to be po'd. I used to fly with an old Southern Airways Captain when we bid the whole month together. I'd be grumbling about everything, living in a 36 inch circle around myself. He'd say, Hey man, I can't wait to get to Indy! Why Rod?, "Man, they got the best corn in the whole system there", and he'd get a big bag of popcorn and put it on the pedestal, and he was right. We'd eat corn and live the dream! Rod died of a brain tumor at age 57, and I gave his eulogy. It ended like this. "Captain Rod, your flight today is a pattern position to your home of destination. Your logbook is clean, no write ups. Your tail number is 7777. Ship load is a crew of two, no pax. Total enroute time will be short, but your layover will last an eternity. Your copilot will be in the seat with you for the first time, but has been with you before on every flight. Wave Off will be on your left, and you have a lot of grateful people to see you off. (Hand Salute), Good Luck, Captain Rod, have a great flight home!"
Ever since that day, I've known I have a choice. And if you ever taste the corn in Indy, you'll begin to understand.
You're the best Kingbird!!

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Ok ...I'm lazy and haven't studied it, nor does it really affect me (premerger Delta) what is bid period 5...5 months of trip bidding? No laughs please.
Bid period 5 is when NWA pilots will be fully operating by the terms of the new joint pilot contract. Bid period 5 will occur 5 bid periods after bid period 1. Bid period 1 will begin at "some point soon" as determined by the committee studying when bid period 1 should happen. Until then NWA pilots still operate under many of the old rules - which is highly advantageous to the new Delta.

And by the way, I'm not kidding. That's why we NWA guys make fun of "bid period 5."

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