Originally Posted by mudslinger (Post 2383322)

The debate should be with your elected reps and the negotiators that were sent in to do the job, they are our subject matter experts. Chat boards are the home to mostly "expert" opinion and far from the complete picture and real facts.

Originally Posted by wt93205 (Post 2383392)

If they had 15-20 years of experience in aviation then we could debate this but they are newbies trying to negotiate against JO who is an expert.

Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2383339)

Yeah, if this goes down, the rep that voted "no" to presenting this to the pilots should become the lead negotiator next time.

Originally Posted by 20sx (Post 2383717)

Can we also get rid of some of the reps that thought it was such a great deal and didn't want any meaningful discussion on it? Blinded by increased but still below rates....

Originally Posted by Another pilot (Post 2383796)

A no vote means you want the company to fold.
Ual will whipsaw the planes to another carrier and we will be on the street. It's a matter of principal to them. They've given some money and we spit in their face. They will take their ball and go home.
It's mediocre money from a mediocre company. Like most I'm trying to get out before the rest of the rats are swimming in the water with me. For me it's about 20% more than I'm getting now. I was a no but I don't want 1000 pilots applying for the bottom of the list at the other regionals.
Imho

Originally Posted by Another pilot (Post 2383796)

A no vote means you want the company to fold.

Originally Posted by wt93205 (Post 2383392)

Are you kidding me??? The Subject matter experts are the 2 kids and 1 young adult on the negotiating board with a "complete picture and real facts"??? LOL! I watched that video they put out. They are brainwashed into thinking this is "GOOD FOR YOU". You and them are smoking some good stuff. So you are saying that because of their position they are the "experts" and basically if they say vote yes, you should vote yes. :eek:

The fact is this TA still lags far behind the rest of the regionals. Debating the TA on here with other more experienced pilots is a good thing. Not bad like you make it out. That is how you learn. Then take that info to debate with these 3 "subject matter experts".

I was at Mesa for 14 years. So I would say I have a better picture then what you have or these guys on the board do. If they had 15-20 years of experience in aviation then we could debate this but they are newbies trying to negotiate against JO who is an expert.

Originally Posted by deltajuliet (Post 2383950)

If Mesa went belly up, honestly, it would probably be better for the industry and the profession. Nobody is actively trying to shut it down, but if it went that way you wouldn't see many tears.


You have to have more confidence in yourself and your career than that. It's a pilot's market; 1-year FO's are getting on with Spirit. You made a post in February of '16 referring to working here. If you've been around that long, and you've been flying 26 years, I'm sure the Spirits and the Allegiants and the Frontiers would love to have you. Do you really think you'd have to start over at Envoy?

I don't believe it's been confirmed by anybody that United or American offered us more money to staff, and regardless it's not spitting in their faces to refuse continuing as the lowest paid 121 jet operator in the country. Have some self respect.

It's a big market, and I imagine just about every non-lifer Mesa pilot has their apps out anyway. Besides, if Mesa really got into trouble, we'd be a carrier in distress and get preferential interviews at other ALPA carriers. Alternatively, we get bought out by a place like SkyWest and go to their pay scales. I'd be fine with either scenario.

Originally Posted by Another pilot (Post 2383796)

A no vote means you want the company to fold.
Ual will whipsaw the planes to another carrier and we will be on the street. It's a matter of principal to them. They've given some money and we spit in their face. They will take their ball and go home.
It's mediocre money from a mediocre company. Like most I'm trying to get out before the rest of the rats are swimming in the water with me. For me it's about 20% more than I'm getting now. I was a no but I don't want 1000 pilots applying for the bottom of the list at the other regionals.
Imho