NovemberBravo

Are you voting to pass the TA?

CantStayAway

89% no so far. It's a small sample size but I hope this holds. Don't cave Mesa pilots. It's not always easy to say no to more money, but sometimes it's necessary for a greater reward in the future. Look at Republic. They voted no in 2014 and had a MUCH better contract that passed in 2015.

Sumtinwong

Well this poll is about as unscientific as it gets. From what i'm hearing on the flight line, some yes but most no. That too is quite unscientific as well.

What I have noticed is that the FO's who are able to vote are a yes. The money is enticing compared to what they are making. Captains who I have talked to are mostly a no but there are some out there that are a yes simply because they want more money before they move on.

I have heard many selfish reasons for voting yes and many others who are ready to fight. Its really hard to say. I have seen some of the union guys on Facebook and in the hallways asking that we just attend the roadshows. I don't like that tone at all from them because it appears as though they might be trying to sell this thing. When you compare apples to apples with other non-wholly owned regionals, its simply doesn't add up or come really anywhere close.

deltajuliet

There's no point to a roadshow if you're English proficient and can read, which we should all be able to do. Went last time and listened to excuses for two hours. But hey, we got a few free quesadillas.

mudslinger

Well we are all paying dues so I would hope that all Mesa pilots would take the time to attend a roadshow and get informed from the source and not from some of the crap posted here. Too many experts continually end up slowing progress and costing us all money in the end.

deltajuliet

The only source that matters is the document. A roadshow doesn't change the document.

Sumtinwong

Like others have said, the roadshow cannot change the pay, benefits, language, health care cost and other details as compared to other non-wholly owned regionals. What on here exactly is crap? Point something that someone said out and dispute it.

That's how a debate works.

CWHCFI

I attended one of the dog and pony shows the last time. I asked why the hotel language was not stronger in the last TA compared to the contract. An ALPA attorney at the meeting told me it was not possible to have stronger language regarding hotels. He then went on to tell me that if we wanted better hotels that we should call in fatigued more often. I was shocked. That is how our union is fighting for us. The road shows do NOT do anything for us, but trying to ram this down our throats.

So if it was not possible to have stronger language in the hotel section, then why does this TA contain stronger language? The hotel language needs to be even stronger than what is in this TA. It should state that we are involved in the actual selection and approval of all hotels. This TA invites members of the hotel committee to onsite visits and allows our input. We still would not have an actual say. Also, the clause about keeping hotels until the end of the hotel contract needs to go. We have no idea how long of a contract the company has with some of these dumps.

mudslinger

The debate should be with your elected reps and the negotiators that were sent in to do the job, they are our subject matter experts. Chat boards are the home to mostly "expert" opinion and far from the complete picture and real facts.

calmwinds

Yeah, if this goes down, the rep that voted "no" to presenting this to the pilots should become the lead negotiator next time.