Are you kidding me??? The Subject matter experts are the 2 kids and 1 young adult on the negotiating board with a "complete picture and real facts"??? LOL! I watched that video they put out. They are brainwashed into thinking this is "GOOD FOR YOU". You and them are smoking some good stuff. So you are saying that because of their position they are the "experts" and basically if they say vote yes, you should vote yes.

The fact is this TA still lags far behind the rest of the regionals. Debating the TA on here with other more experienced pilots is a good thing. Not bad like you make it out. That is how you learn. Then take that info to debate with these 3 "subject matter experts".

I was at Mesa for 14 years. So I would say I have a better picture then what you have or these guys on the board do. If they had 15-20 years of experience in aviation then we could debate this but they are newbies trying to negotiate against JO who is an expert.

 

Like shooting fish in a barrel man. Pilot contracts are his speciality, he even started another airline to not pay pilots. JO could sell you a oceanfront property in Nebraska, this could be a Yes vote.

 

Can we also get rid of some of the reps that thought it was such a great deal and didn't want any meaningful discussion on it? Blinded by increased but still below rates....

 

There can be multiple reasons for putting this to a vote. One is you think you have a deal that the pilots should consider. One is the mediator has convinced you that he has struggled to get you this good of deal.

If this goes down, then it will be a while (not a year though) before we get another vote. I can guarantee United, who would love for Mesa to be flying dozens more EJets, is watching closely. The rep who voted "no" understood it would never pass.

 

A no vote means you want the company to fold.
Ual will whipsaw the planes to another carrier and we will be on the street. It's a matter of principal to them. They've given some money and we spit in their face. They will take their ball and go home.
It's mediocre money from a mediocre company. Like most I'm trying to get out before the rest of the rats are swimming in the water with me. For me it's about 20% more than I'm getting now. I was a no but I don't want 1000 pilots applying for the bottom of the list at the other regionals.
Imho

 

That could be. UAL also doesn't want all their eggs in the SW basket or SW would already be in IAH. SW is the only regional with surplus Ejet pilots other than the wholly owned regionals. You could be at SW where a first year Ejet FO is lucky to get 400 hours. At least, we build our time toward our next job.

Mesa needs to add 200 net pilots and the bonuses will just get larger to attract pilots if this doesn't pass.

 

If Mesa went belly up, honestly, it would probably be better for the industry and the profession. Nobody is actively trying to shut it down, but if it went that way you wouldn't see many tears.

You have to have more confidence in yourself and your career than that. It's a pilot's market; 1-year FO's are getting on with Spirit. You made a post in February of '16 referring to working here. If you've been around that long, and you've been flying 26 years, I'm sure the Spirits and the Allegiants and the Frontiers would love to have you. Do you really think you'd have to start over at Envoy?

I don't believe it's been confirmed by anybody that United or American offered us more money to staff, and regardless it's not spitting in their faces to refuse continuing as the lowest paid 121 jet operator in the country. Have some self respect.

It's a big market, and I imagine just about every non-lifer Mesa pilot has their apps out anyway. Besides, if Mesa really got into trouble, we'd be a carrier in distress and get preferential interviews at other ALPA carriers. Alternatively, we get bought out by a place like SkyWest and go to their pay scales. I'd be fine with either scenario.

 

It's more than a damned shame that the union is actually working to swing the vote under the guise of "educating" us. They're supposed to present the TA to us, and that's ALL they're supposed to do. The fact that they're also trying to sell it to us is despicable. Apparently, they are still in JOs pocket and haven't learned a thing from the past. This pilot group is way too savvy to not see through this sort of crap and it actually only helps to ensure that the thing gets voted down. Way to go guys ... keep the rah-rah vids coming!

 

You haven't watched what SW did with ExpressJet with that acquisition --- have you? Mesa pilots will be step-children. They will assume our bases as they choose and move our bases/pilots to less desirable locations.

SW closed the ExpressJet DTW senior base and moved it to LGA. Then, moved SW new hires into DTW. I expect they will close the DFW ExpressJet base next. If they acquired us, PHX would be the first base closed and SW pilots would just take over.

 

Mesa is the cheapest regional out there and United is protecting that. Otherwise, we would have had an IAH base at republic a long time ago. The fact is, if Republic or Skywest opens up an IAH base, Mesa is all but gone without a new on par or more contract.