Mesa sim instructor posting
02-06-2018, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
Question:
...Mesa continually touts “Hired by Line Pilots, Trained by Line Pilots”...
If that’s the case, why go outside Mesa for instructors or is that tag line, which appears on Mesa’s web site, recruitment materials, and goodies Mesa give away at air shows, open houses and recruitment events, no longer true?
We have a former student at the Mesa training facility now who reports none of his instructors have been “line pilots”.
What gives?
...Mesa continually touts “Hired by Line Pilots, Trained by Line Pilots”...
If that’s the case, why go outside Mesa for instructors or is that tag line, which appears on Mesa’s web site, recruitment materials, and goodies Mesa give away at air shows, open houses and recruitment events, no longer true?
We have a former student at the Mesa training facility now who reports none of his instructors have been “line pilots”.
What gives?
02-06-2018, 09:09 AM
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The company needs instructors. I can tell you two instructors who are line pilots now.
I know we need instructors now because I am in the training center and there is a back up due to instructor shortage. The instructors are flying the line.
I know we need instructors now because I am in the training center and there is a back up due to instructor shortage. The instructors are flying the line.
02-07-2018, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NovemberBravo
Also I’m speaking from the CRJ side I have no idea what goes on with the ERJ
Need every pilot to fly the line, yet can’t get new guys through training because everyone is flying the line... Hence why you pay outsiders to instruct in the sim... They would have them flying the line too if they could.
02-08-2018, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Is Mesa stepping over dollars to pick up pennies again?
Need every pilot to fly the line, yet can’t get new guys through training because everyone is flying the line... Hence why you pay outsiders to instruct in the sim... They would have them flying the line too if they could.
Need every pilot to fly the line, yet can’t get new guys through training because everyone is flying the line... Hence why you pay outsiders to instruct in the sim... They would have them flying the line too if they could.
02-08-2018, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by tm602
What I'm having a hard time believing is the pay from 88,000 to 100,000. That's very unRegional.
02-08-2018, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Sim instructors at K4, which are K4 pilots, bring home around 300k, so I would say 88 to 100k is actually regional rate.
02-09-2018, 04:16 AM
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"...there is a back up due to instructor shortage"
Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.
Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).
Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.
Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?
Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.
Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).
Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.
Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?
02-09-2018, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
"...there is a back up due to instructor shortage"
Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.
Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).
Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.
Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?
Our former student reported the Training Department cannot confirm anybody's schedule and told the most recent class not to expect any advance notice for at least 10 days to 2 weeks.
Is this vicious cycle ever going to get fixed because they also reported Mesa holds a new class every two weeks putting more people into a pipeline they can't handle (?).
Her CRJ class of 10 people will consume approximately 68 instructor hours in the computer trainers, 101 instructor hours in the paper tigers, and 560 instructor hours in the SIM including pre- and post-briefings. That's one class needing 729 instructor hours post-ground-school ~ or 91 eight-hour days.
Does Mesa have the personnel and time or will it implode under the weight of this backed up pipeline when it can't deliver to AA and UA?
On the Ejet side, I have heard relief is coming. Flight Safety instructors are reportedly being used. Additional SIM time is being acquired. The most recent Ejet pilots are getting through to IOE in about 5 months from date of hire. Based on what I hear, I expect this to shorten by summer.
Mesa won’t implode. Someone will buy Mesa before it implodes. This is a prime market for a regional right now, majors are flush with cash.
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