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Old 12-31-2019, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
When every LCC, ACMI, Major & Legacy in hiring like they are just starting to, the old paradigm you're subscribing to no longer applies. Yes, in todays market, pilots can influence company decisions.

Any Mesa guy looking to move up, should not be voting to bring those jobs down to regional levels.

If they do not give them a TA at or above industry standard, they should vote no. It's that simple.

Southern, Kalitta 2, etc... are not industry standard. You need a CBA that is 3 or less years old to compare; not places that have been fighting for several years already on old CBA's
I would agree that pilot supply and demand influences a company's business decisions and directions but that is different than current pilot's on a seniority list dictating business decisions to its employer!

If Mesa's executives negotiate a B737 cargo deal with another entity, then the pilot's will go through a pay rate negotiation for that aircraft plain and simple! Are you saying in this new "paradigm" pilots should make the business deals and dictate the terms? Should they take the loss in pay and benefits if the business deal becomes unprofitable as well or should the stock holders pay for your mistakes? These corporate decisions are for the stock holders interests not the pilots. The "old paradigm" still applies! You get what you negotiate!

If other airlines are hiring in mass, pilots have the freedom to move where they want and that is the company's problem trying to attract and retain pilots to maintain profitability!

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Old 01-01-2020, 04:17 AM
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How's that worked out for the regional jets the last 16 years?
Not well. My hope is the pilots pressure the MEC to actually agree to decent pay rates. If number 11 flies, the pay rates HAVE to be renegotiated again.
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Old 01-01-2020, 05:29 AM
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Not well. My hope is the pilots pressure the MEC to actually agree to decent pay rates. If number 11 flies, the pay rates HAVE to be renegotiated again.
Why not get decent rates now? I would assume the company can’t bring the 737s online until pay rates are agreed to or arbitrated. Just seems like wasted leverage if the rates are substandard.
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Why not get decent rates now? I would assume the company can’t bring the 737s online until pay rates are agreed to or arbitrated. Just seems like wasted leverage if the rates are substandard.
Once again open your listening comprehension ears and try to understand what’s being said to you at higher then a third grade level. The overall pilot group here. HAS. NOT. HAD. A. SAY. IN. THIS.
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Originally Posted by terks43 View Post
Once again open your listening comprehension ears and try to understand what’s being said to you at higher then a third grade level. The overall pilot group here. HAS. NOT. HAD. A. SAY. IN. THIS.
Just because the overall pilot group at Mesa HAS. NOT. HAD. A. SAY. IN. THIS. does not mean that the overall pilot group at Mesa SHOULD. NOT. PRESSURE. THEIR. MEC. FOR. AT. MINIMUM. INDUSTRY. STANDARD. 737. CARGO. PAYRATES.
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Just because the overall pilot group at Mesa HAS. NOT. HAD. A. SAY. IN. THIS. does not mean that the overall pilot group at Mesa SHOULD. NOT. PRESSURE. THEIR. MEC. FOR. AT. MINIMUM. INDUSTRY. STANDARD. 737. CARGO. PAYRATES.
The rates have already been set for the first 10. Voted in by the MEC
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Old 01-01-2020, 07:35 AM
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Once again open your listening comprehension ears and try to understand what’s being said to you at higher then a third grade level. The overall pilot group here. HAS. NOT. HAD. A. SAY. IN. THIS.
Where did I say the pilot group had a say? I know the mec votes on the aip. My point is the mec shouldn’t squander leverage. Try reading a little more thorough.
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Originally Posted by 155mm View Post

If Mesa's executives negotiate a B737 cargo deal with another entity, then the pilot's will go through a pay rate negotiation for that aircraft plain and simple! Are you saying in this new "paradigm" pilots should make the business deals and dictate the terms? Should they take the loss in pay and benefits if the business deal becomes unprofitable as well or should the stock holders pay for your mistakes? These corporate decisions are for the stock holders interests not the pilots. The "old paradigm" still applies! You get what you negotiate!
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Everything you just said is wrong....
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As Luke said....
Everything you just said is wrong....
Perhaps in a galaxy far far away!
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Old 01-01-2020, 04:28 PM
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Any mention of home basing or the lesser tier version called gateway basing??????

Mesa pilots must be aware that Inc will be lowering the pilot professions already lowered standard within the ACMI sector. If no home basing or gateway basing are implemented for crews operating for Prime Air at Mesa, it will drag down the already substandard ACMI contracts further.

No home basing / gateway basing support for crews operating Prime Air, no equivalent contractual parity for operating Mesa crews, will be clearly an attack on home basing / gateway basing at other Prime Air carriers.


Something both Mesa MEC, the Reps, and pilot group must consider, and should have seriously demanded while drafting the AIP, for the sake of contractual parity or QOL parity with 737/767/777 operators controlled by “Prime Air”

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