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12-13-2019 | 08:00 PM

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The Southern and Atlas pilots thank your MEC for making their 4 yr fight for an INDUSTRY STANDARD contract just that much harder and longer now by lowering the bar below all the ACMI carriers and even Southern’s abysmal level in the best pilot market in decades. What’s next, flying those 73’s at CRJ rates? Don’t be a pawn in mgt’s game. Stand up for what you’re worth, not some entry level compensation they want to throw your way.

It sounds like the MEC agreed to this, not the pilot group? If you're going to fault the pilot group, fault them for not changing their union leadership.

12-13-2019 | 08:19 PM

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As a 737 pilot in contract negotiations this is incredibly troubling.

12-13-2019 | 08:31 PM

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Has anybody even seen the rates, or are we just going to get bent out of shape over a low guarantee?

12-13-2019 | 09:47 PM

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300/hr F/O & 425/hr CPT.....that should keep folks from getting bent out of shape 🤣🤣🤣🤣

12-13-2019 | 09:54 PM

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300/hr F/O & 425/hr CPT.....that should keep folks from getting bent out of shape 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Ha ha, exactly! Who cares what the guarantee is if the rate is right!

12-13-2019 | 10:00 PM

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Ha ha, exactly! Who cares what the guarantee is if the rate is right!

Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but for those who think this is a great deal.... You should care about setting the bar higher because even if you pay match Delta rates, with a 61 hour guarantee you will make a fraction of your contemporaries. No cargo outfit really flies over their guarantee, especially not in the 737.

Tell your reps not to sell you short.

12-13-2019 | 10:13 PM

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As long as they’re shiny.

12-14-2019 | 02:16 AM

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From: F-16

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12-14-2019 | 02:31 AM

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Ha ha, exactly! Who cares what the guarantee is if the rate is right!

Mesa pilots can expect to fly those 737-400’s about 40-45 hours a month. JO knows this, that’s why he doesn’t want you getting paid 76 hour min to fly 40. It goes against everything that is Mesa.

JO goes sure, I’ll pay you 150 bucks an hour. The union may not realize how little the pilots are actually going to fly, as they have RJ mentality.

You will probably never fly on weekends, 5 on 2 off will be your pattern, around 10 hours of block per week, just enough to not break min pay. No need for sunglasses- you will never see the light of day again.

I believe a 900 Captain will actually make more than a 737-400 Captain.

See ya around the sort, with the 1000 yard stare at 3am.

Well played Messaa.

12-14-2019 | 03:11 AM

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^^^ This sounds about right. As LAMA, I understand how Mesa works. Spent 8 yeas there.
Now UPS and FedEx may look more favorably towards the 737 CA (with a degree), than the Rj CA. So that alone could attract pilots to fly those 737s at those rates. (whatever it turns out to be)
Right now, it’s a stepping stone to greener pastures. Like ACMI.
However this does not bode well for Atlas/Southern pilots negotiating a contract.
Survival of the fittest....

Last edited by NoJoy; 12-14-2019 at 03:31 AM.