Your comments are truly the baffling ones. Concessions will not be temporary. We are in a contract year. And furloughs would last for years. How long you think those concessions will last? Its better to be furloughed for 2-3 yrs than get paid less for a decade. Especially if not furloughing is not guaranteed. You think John-O and the Union goons wont ******* you. Bend over sonny-boy, here is the lube.

The only bargaining tool the pilot group has is shortage. Without that pay will never come back. Welcome to another lost decade.

Reduction in guaranteed hours (concession) can easily be tied to furlough numbers.

Yes and we do.

With ignorant comments like that, not yours but rather the one you were responding to, it’s almost like none of these people actually read the last LOA that came just before the CARES act. You can, and have done, tie a reduced guarantee into BOTH being TEMPORARY and PROHIBITING furloughs.

“Temporary” is something anyone in this industry for more than a day can say is not true. They will drop the hours, then file for bankruptcy and bring the current “temporary” contract to court and that will be their baseline for negotiations.

None of these guys have been around long enough or done the research to know how these play out. Look into the past. See what happened to the Northwest pilots in the 90s five years and they had to strike in 1998 and still didn't get back to 1993 pay. You guys want to take a VLOA, have at it but do not accept short lines or reduced hourly rates. You will pay that bill for a very long time if you do.

That's probably safe enough because airlines don't LIKE short lines, that will go away naturally on it's own as demand picks up. Some major pilots actually have it baked into their contracts for furlough mitigation. Airlines prefer busy pilots, since they have significant overhead just to be on the books (far more than any other employees).

Yeah, don't do that.

no where in the pwa do we have PBS language.

Reduced lines ONLY at full min guarantee pay, just like it is right now.

Warn Notices would be out already IF the company was in such dire straits looking forward.

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I did take the VLOA extending to November 1st specifically so I could have another job when/if mass layoffs on October 1 happened across the entire job market. Working another job with working as much as I would load up my schedule pre covid is financially beneficial to me vs reduced min pay where I’d have no ability to work extra for more pay, again which would financially ruin me

Really via snail mail to be sent out? Why can't be email be sent out. :/

You can't back date an email but post marks can already have been applied but not dropped in the box yet.

Post marks are applied at the post office..

LOL good point!

I am going to probably regret this, but... I am the FO Rep of PHX. If you have questions, or a point of view you want heard, call me, email me, drop a not in my V File. My contact info is on the Union Web page (www.mag.alpa.org) or my business card is hanging in the Union Cork board in the crew rooms.

And for those of you not in PHX, I urge you to call, email, ect your rep, their contact info is on the same web page.

Let us know, bow can we represent you if you don't speak up. And no, while this forum is a great place it DOES NOT count as we cannot make sure that we are speaking to one of our pilots.

The problem with this theory is that the post mark is the stamp that the post office sorting machine puts on the mail when it receives the mail. It is not put on by the entity sending the mail. So, no they can't.

Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
 

This guy knows...
My dad was one of those NWA pilots during the 90’s and I walked with him through the streets of DTW in 98.
The pilots got screwed while the executives made millions! If it happened to NWA guys, it can (and will) happen to anyone if we cave.

Anybody check their mail?

Did you get something


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Go on..........

no. Nothing.

Can you imagine? The pandemic will be way over by the time we get them if they’re sending them out snail mail. The poor dispatch and soc ppl are probably stuffing and licking envelopes and stamps while doing their normal jobs. Maybe they should just ACARS it. 😂🤣😂

If you would make almost the same or more on unemployment why would you risk screwing yourself and other generations for a decade or more for short term gain (is it even really gain?). Genuinely curious, this mentality makes no sense to me.

Concessions have been proven NOT to save jobs anyways, you are going to lower the standard, make even less money, and then wind up on the street anyways. When its time to come back, you’ll come back to a worse job and you’ll spend years trying to get it back to where it was in the first place.

Yep....no concessions, reduced guarantee, nothing. This company was trying to buy Flybe in the UK, and has mentioned other possibilities in Europe - money at the corporate level is apparently not an issue. Not yet anyway.

Things haven’t even gotten horribly bad yet and there are apparently a lot of pilots ready to give concessions. Unbelievable.

Read “Flying the Line”, the new guys need to learn a little history about the industry they have chosen to work in. I think it’s free on the ALPA web site. The more things change, the more they stay the same. A book called “Hard Landing” is a really good read as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...wpyp5q34cEujdo

ACARS it to all the reserves not flying at all! Genius! 🤣

Well a member of recruiting had a video meeting today with ATP and said they are actively reviewing application BUT all applicants must have a ATP unless previously or are current cadets. So I would think with the new partnership furloughs are off the table.


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lol lol lol lol lol lol. I wish. Furloughs are NEVER off the table. We are over staffed by half.

Then why is there still pilots flying 80 hrs


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Crediting yes. Flying no.

I could have easily gotten a 80+ line this month, left seat.

But why should I? Fly 60, get paid 76?


20 days off, I'm Lovin' It!

I think it depends on your base. IAH is flying is fine. I got an 80 hr line with 15 days off. Only like the bottom 40-50 FOs are sitting reserve in IAH. Which is normal numbers. I doubt the guys in AA bases can say the same. Also think about the VLOA guys coming back eventually. The only thing that will prevent us from sending out letters is to convert our 700s to 550s and do it ourselves. Which seems to be the situation. GoJet had to return 3 planes to Skywest bc they couldnt afford to pay the lease. Doubt they can pay Mesa. I wasnt able to hear the earnings call today but I will read the transcript when its available.

I did see we did better YoY by a penny. Last year Q3 $0.08, this year $0.09. I think we were like 13% down on revenue. So Im guessing the reason for the increase is a combination of lower expenses and Cares act helping with payroll

IAD seems to do when better than IAH.

But you're right, the American side could be a bitter awaking come October.

Furloughs are company wide, not fleet or base dependent. Don’t get caught up thinking that just because your on the UA side that doesn’t you’re safe. They WILL retrain pilots on to the other jet if they have to. They have no way to only furlough a particular fleet type or base. It’s reverse seniority order or nothing for involuntary, no ifs ands or buts.

Mesa pilots don't fly for both American and United? I keep hearing about Mesa pilots only flying for one or the other rather than both. It's not like at Republic or Skywest where you literally fly for Delta on one trip and United the next?

CRJ guys do. Only fleet type we have on both sides.

You can but its not common. If you're in an AA base (PHX, DFW, SDF) you're only gonna fly the American tail. If you're in IAD you're probably gonna only fly the United tail out of IAD. IAH is an Ejet only base and the Ejet is united only. Only case I can see is if you're based in one of our AA bases and get TDY to IAD.

Q3 call had the company paying down debt and increasing cash on hand by almost a total $40mil. So JO is likely making moves somewhere.

I don't give a F### where they furlough. I've got both type rating, what do I care.

Contracts are there to be broken, so we will see what happens. No Warn Notices yet, no Furloughs.

Fingers crossed, right?